Here’s the complete NUFORC stats for7/1/09. The story below supposedly occurs in Tonopah, AZ, but it is not in the NUFORC database, nor others I’ve checked. Hmmmm. Any other info, anyone?
|7/2/09||Branson||MO||Circle||3 ufo’s over Branson, one caught on film||8/5/09|
|7/2/09||Galveston||TX||Cylinder||1 minute||cylinder craft flying over Galveston with no wings being chased by military jet.||8/5/09|
|7/1/09 23:15||Winnipeg (Canada)||MB||Light||My friends pointed out in the sky what seemed to be Mars. Then notice that Mars was to our right. The object that we noticed was bright||8/5/09|
|7/1/09 23:00||Montrose||CO||Circle||10 seconds||solid bright light hovering in sky.||8/5/09|
|7/1/09 23:00||Shutesbury||MA||Sphere||30 sec.||the light was very bright, like lightning bright.||8/5/09|
|7/1/09 22:05||Lynden||WA||Light||10 secs||Odd light in the sky||8/5/09|
|7/1/09 22:00||Atlantic Beach||NC||Light||30 minutes||two red/ orange lights over ocean||8/5/09|
|7/1/09 21:43||Metarie||LA||Fireball||4-5 seconds||I was taking out the trash when I noticed a flashing light on the lid of the can. I looked up to try and find the source and I saw a la||8/5/09|
|7/1/09 21:00||Belmopan (Belize)||Other||8min and can still see it||There were two lights with a alternating multicolour (almost) light. The two light were almost solid fire balls.||8/5/09|
|7/1/09 18:00||Mesa||AZ||Light||10 minutes||2 brilliant lights in the Mesa, Arizona sky||8/5/09|
|7/1/09 14:00||Irving||TX||Oval||10 Seconds||Oval shaped aircraft shimmered in the sky and disappears||8/5/09|
|7/1/09 12:45||Oak Harbor||WA||Unknown||Unknown craft with flash ending.||8/5/09|
|7/1/09 12:00||Fulton||NY||Triangle||0:00=midnight||the triangle shaped air craft hoverd above me and then disappeared in the trees||8/5/09|
|7/1/09 07:00||Tofo (Mozambique)||Unknown||unsure||ufo in absolutely remote location||8/5/09|
|7/1/09 04:15||Peebles||OH||Fireball||30 seconds||unusual lights over my house in Adams County, Ohio||8/5/09|
|7/1/09 02:00||Milwaukee||WI||Disk||by my house||it was glowing and it looked like glowsticks but parted, it left some whiteish smoke in the sky.||8/27/09|
|7/1/09 01:00||Crestone||CO||Light||not sure||Continued white light presence in Crestone, Colorado||8/5/09|
|7/1/09 00:07||Sozopol (Bulgaria)||Fireball||2-3 minutes||Bright red ball to the sky||8/5/09|
|7/1/09 00:01||Whitefish (just outside of)||MT||Unknown||30 seconds||Very Bright Object in the sky near Whitefish, Montana. ((NUFORC Note: Possible Iridium flare? PD))||8/5/09|
|7/1/09 00:00||Fort Wayne||IN||Formation||several weeks||Multiple sightings of fast moving points of light with changing motion, no identifiable shape, sudden appearances and disappearances.||8/5/09|
And here’s the posting:
Monday, February 08, 2010
Tonopah, Arizona – July 1, 2009 – 10:30 PM (report unedited): While in the desert near the Palo Verde Nuclear Plant, the main witness and some friends saw a very large triangle shaped UFO. They were driving down a dirt road and saw a bright flashing light. They had seen objects in the area before and their intentions were to look for UFO’s. According to the witnesses, people that live in this area have been chased in their cars and seen objects on a regular basis. They went off the road behind some mountains, and no sooner had they come around the mountain they saw the large flashing light. All of them were scared but, at the same time, curious.
The main witness friend’s girlfriend was crying and telling them to turn around; they got within 2 to 300 yards from the light. It was the size of three football fields, triangular in shape, and had windows around it. It was about 3 stories tall, and about 30 feet off the ground, they flashed their lights and it flashed back, in the same sequence of flashes. The main witness and his friend, James, got out of the car and walked closer. The closer they got, the better they could make out what was standing in the windows. They could see small big headed aliens, and then 7 to 9 foot tall aliens, they based this on the size of the windows. Some of the windows they could see through, the other windows were dark, but then the dark windows, cleared up one by one, and as they went clear more and more aliens appeared on the windows. James was supposedly videotaping the whole time. The main witness was terrified but excited at the same time.
They walked closer and had to stop because the heat coming from the craft was so intense. The craft hovered and then landed. A large panel at the bottom of the craft opened and two aliens proceeded to walk out. This absolutely terrified the witnesses, but they couldn’t move or talk. The main witness remembers trying to scream and run but they couldn’t move or talk. Two others were in the car honking the horn, and screaming for them to come back, but they couldn’t respond or move.
The aliens walked up to within 20 feet of them. One of them was very thin and tall, about 8-9 feet, the other one was about 3-4 feet tall. The witnesses stood there in amazement, shocked because they couldn’t move or speak. Then calmness came over them and the aliens began speaking to them telepathically, they were saying not to be scared that they were not going to harm them. This “conversation” went on between the 4 of them for 15-20 minutes. They said they were here to help us, so that we would not destroy our planet, and that there was a horrible event coming soon, that it had to be stopped. One of the witnesses asked if it was something like ‘9/11’ and they said that it was bigger and that it would come from the Middle East. The main witness then thought to himself that he had been in this situation before and the tall alien heard his thoughts and repeated his name and said that yes, he had been visited before when he was 6 years old in Deming, New Mexico. He had been in the desert exploring and they had talked to him then. He had blocked that out, but it all suddenly came back, they said they knew they were coming and wanted them to warn people about global warming and what was to come if they didn’t take start taking care of our planet. Visions of disaster then entered their heads, as if to show them what was to come.
The taller alien then walked closer, and held his hand. He was no longer scared, neither was his friend, James. They said that they would see them again soon and to warn people about ‘saving our planet’. Supposedly James was recording the whole time. The aliens then returned to the craft and it was gone in a split second. When the craft left they both felt weak, but managed to make their way back to the car, when they got there the occupants of the car, Heather and Jamie, were not crying anymore they just hugged the witnesses.
For a minute the car would not start and suddenly it just turned on by itself. As they started to drive away three military helicopters appeared and began shining their lights on the witnesses. Then two military Hummers showed up and chased the witnesses. They tried to avoid the Hummers but were told over a speaker to pull over or they would be forced to shoot at them. They pulled over and military personnel surrounded their vehicle.
Two men dressed in black opened the door and asked them to get out. One of them looked familiar to the main witness. He asked the witnesses to get out and both questioned them, while the military personnel searched the car. They asked them what they had seen, how long they had been there and if they had had any contact with the alien ship. One of the soldiers then found the video camera. The men in black reviewed it and told the witnesses they were not to speak of this, they then confiscated the camera and took the main witness with them. The other 3 witnesses asked where they were going and they told them not to worry about it. He left with them and they questioned him further. He kept staring at one of the men since he looked familiar. They then dropped him off on the I-10 highway near Tonopah Joe’s restaurant. There he was later picked up by his friends.
The following article was posted by Peter Watts at http://www.rifters.com/crawl at No Moods, Ads or Cutesy Fucking Icons (Re-reloaded) on 11/22/09, and has been named one of the top fifty scientific articles of 2009. But don’t let that keep you from reading. Peter Watts understands the most cryptid of beasts, the Human.
Images and captions mine)
“Look. They’re ‘vertsives! It’s in their logo!”
I’m going to make a bit of an exception today. There were other newsworthy items after my heart (Jason Stackhouse — yes, you read that right — sent me an intriguing link on insect intelligence, and who could resist the creation of the first cat-based AI?). But I’ve decided instead to weigh in on this UCR e-mail hack that’s got the climate-change denialists wetting themselves so gleefully.
I rarely mention climate-change issues in the ‘crawl because I like to reserve these pixels for cool stuff, cutting edges that may or may not pan out, findings of interest (and frequently, of contention). Anthropogenic Climate Change hasn’t qualified for years; the science is settled, the effect is real, and the only uncertainty among the folks who actually know their shit is whether we’re in for a bad ride or a downright catastrophic one. The “debate”, such as it is, is political and entirely dishonest at its heart. Climate-change skeptics like to portray themselves as a feisty rebel alliance speaking truth to power, up against a colossal green propaganda machine calling all the shots— a little like the way Glen Beck and Bill O’Reilly like to portray US Christians as an endangered species. Anyone familiar with the Bush administration’s environmental censorship of NASA, the EPA, and its own military knows how ridiculous that is. I have better things to do than research every objection raised by (as Bruce Sterling calls them) shortsighted sociopathic morons who don’t want to lose any money. (I would recommend How to Talk to a Climate Change Skeptic, however, to anyone who does want to fit a couple of denialists in between the Jehovah’s Witnesses and Birthers lined up on their stoops. It addresses all the usual canards, from warming-stopped-in-1998 right out to global-warming-on-Pluto.)
“Haitians are the root of all Climate Change. And they were smitten”
I also generally avoid going on about stuff that’s already getting a lot of press elsewhere; if you saw it on slashdot, boingboing, or the NY Times I’ll be giving it a pass unless it’s really central to my current interests, simply because the blogosphere will already be writhing with opinions on the subject and mine has probably been better put by someone with better insight.
Now. In what can hardly be a coincidence, just a few weeks before the Copenhagen summit the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia got hacked. The sixty-odd megabytes of confidential e-mails that ended up littering the whole damn internet either a) blew the lid off a global conspiracy to fake the global warming crisis, or b) lay there in a big sludgy pile of boring communications about birthdays, conference meet-ups, and whether or not Poindexter over at Cal State was going to be allowed into the tree fort this year. Judging by the criteria I described at the top of the post, I should just stick my fingers in my ears and hum loudly until the current shitstorm abates.
But I’m not going to. Not this time.
I haven’t read all 62MB. I’ve read hardly any of it, in fact. I’m familiar with the money shots: the “Nature trick” used to “hide the decline” (and sorry folks, anybody who’s ever run a residual analysis knows there’s nothing nefarious about the word “trick” in this context. Besides, climatologists need hookers same as Republicans). I’ve read the e-mail-deletion thread, seen quotes that decry evil denialists and call for the censure of skeptic-friendly journal editors. The very conditions under which these e-mails were released makes it entirely plausible that some of them were forged; but at least some of the more controversial bits have been verified as legitimate by their authors. I don’t have much to say about any of that; maybe it’s all real, maybe it’s been spiked, none of it compromises the overwhelming weight of evidence in favor of anthropogenic climate change. Whatever.
No, what I want to address here is the attitude of the scientists, and how that relates to the way science actually works.
I keep running into recurring commentary on the snarkiness of the scientists behind these e-mails. They’re really entrenched, people seem surprised to note. Got a real siege mentality going on, speak unkindly of the skeptics, take all kinds of cheap shots unbecoming of the lab coat. These people can be downright assholes.
No shit, Sherlock. I was a scientist myself for the longest time, and the people I’d gladly drop into a vat of nitric acid start with the Pope and go all the way down to anyone who voted for Stephen Harper’s conservatives.
The apologists have stepped up, pointed out that these were private conversations and we shouldn’t expect them to carry the same veneer of civility that one would expect in a public presentation. “Science doesn’t work because we’re all nice,” remarked one widely-quoted NASA climatologist. “Newton may have been an ass, but the theory of gravity still works.”
No. I don’t think he’s got it right. I don’t think most of these people do.
Science doesn’t work despite scientists being asses. Science works, to at least some extent, because scientists are asses. Bickering and backstabbing are essential elements of the process. Haven’t any of these guys ever heard of “peer review”?
(Note: This is peer review. Your ass is in boat #2 -TMC)
There’s this myth in wide circulation: rational, emotionless Vulcans in white coats, plumbing the secrets of the universe, their Scientific Methods unsullied by bias or emotionalism. Most people know it’s a myth, of course; they subscribe to a more nuanced view in which scientists are as petty and vain and human as anyone (and as egotistical as any therapist or financier), people who use scientific methodology to tamp down their human imperfections and manage some approximation of objectivity.
But that’s a myth too. The fact is, we are all humans; and humans come with dogma as standard equipment. We can no more shake off our biases than Liz Cheney could pay a compliment to Barack Obama. The best we can do— the best science can do— is make sure that at least, we get to choose among competing biases.
That’s how science works. It’s not a hippie love-in; it’s rugby. Every time you put out a paper, the guy you pissed off at last year’s Houston conference is gonna be laying in wait. Every time you think you’ve made a breakthrough, that asshole supervisor who told you you needed more data will be standing ready to shoot it down. You want to know how the Human Genome Project finished so far ahead of schedule? Because it was the Human Genome projects, two competing teams locked in bitter rivalry, one led by J. Craig Venter, one by Francis Collins — and from what I hear, those guys did not like each other at all.
This is how it works: you put your model out there in the coliseum, and a bunch of guys in white coats kick the shit out of it. If it’s still alive when the dust clears, your brainchild receives conditional acceptance. It does not get rejected. This time.
Yes, there are mafias. There are those spared the kicking because they have connections. There are established cliques who decide what appears in Science, who gets to give a spoken presentation and who gets kicked down to the poster sessions with the kiddies. I know a couple of people who will probably never get credit for the work they’ve done, for the insights they’ve produced. But the insights themselves prevail. Even if the establishment shoots the messenger, so long as the message is valid it will work its way into the heart of the enemy’s camp. First it will be ridiculed. Then it will be accepted as true, but irrelevant. Finally, it will be embraced as canon, and what’s more everyone will know that it was always so embraced, and it was Our Glorious Leader who had the idea. The credit may not go to those who deserve it; but the field will have moved forward.
Science is so powerful that it drags us kicking and screaming towards the truth despite our best efforts to avoid it. And it does that at least partly fueled by our pettiness and our rivalries. Science is alchemy: it turns shit into gold. Keep that in mind the next time some blogger decries the ill manners of a bunch of climate scientists under continual siege by forces with vastly deeper pockets and much louder megaphones.
As for me, I’ll follow the blogs with interest and see how this all shakes out. But even if someone, somewhere, proves that a handful of climatologists deliberately fudged their findings — well, I’ll be there with everyone else calling to have the bastards run out of town, but it won’t matter much in terms of the overall weight of the data. I went running through Toronto the other day on a 17°C November afternoon. Canada’s west coast is currently underwater. Sea level continues its 3mm/yr creep up the coasts of the world, the western Siberian permafrost turns to slush. Swathes of California and Australia are pretty much permanent firestorm zones these days. The glaciers retreat, the Arctic ice cap shrinks, a myriad migratory species still show up at their northern destinations weeks before they’re supposed to. The pine beetle furthers its westward invasion, leaving dead forests in its wake— the winters, you see, are no longer cold enough to hit that lethal reset button that once kept their numbers in check.
I could go on, but you get my drift. And if the Climate-Change Hoax Machine is powerful enough to do all that, you know what?
They deserve to win.
Peter Watts is a reformed marine biologist living in Toronto, Canada.
He is the author of the acclaimed Rifters Saga, comprising STARFISH, MAELSTROM,
BEHEMOTH: B-MAX, and BEHEMOTH: SEPPUKU.
Courtesy, J. Allen Hynek Center for UFO Studies
The J. Allen Hynek Center for UFO Studies from Chicago has published a map of UFO sightings in the US. It indicates the number of UFO reports per 100.000 people by county in the continental US. Some observations:
• There is a marked difference in levels of UFO visitation between the eastern and western halves of the continental US. Apparently, extraterrestrials like it out west (seems that L.O.W.F.I. is certainly in the right place!).
• Marked exceptions to this rule are hotspots in northern Minnesota, Missouri, Illinois, clusters in the Florida panhandle, SE, SW and panhandle of Texas, a cluster around the confluence of the Ohio and Mississippi Rivers, and a small but interesting cluster encompassing areas of West Virginia, Ohio, and Pennsylvania.
Any cool statisticians willing to analyze the above?
• Obvious hot spots of UFO activity are concentrated in the states of New Mexico, Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, the three coastal states and Nevada.
Note: As described, this map is arranged to show data organized by incident per 100k, and by counties. Counties “Back East” tend to be much smaller than their western counterparts.
This can skew your view, a bit. If you live east of the Mississippi, look closer! What’s with that cool county in Georgia? Tennessee? Right there in River City?
I feel a research burst coming on… see you in a few weeks.
The following are the search results of the http://www.mufon.com/ data base for Arizona since 11/01/09 to date. While this sample is in most regards typical of a two-month window, some reports do stick out rather well. Therefore I’ve included the MIB report from 12/20/09, a late report from 2/15/88.
While I find “late” reports rather frustrating (glad I’m NOT the investigator), this one seems interesting due to the “arm’s length” aspect of the reporter and its clear style. Besides that, who doesn’t love a good MIB story?
2009-12-282002-09-3010 circular objectsArizona
2009-12-282002-10-1210 circular objectsCasa Grande
2009-12-252009-09-02Metalic disc sighted over alter valley sept 20093 points
2009-12-252009-12-246 – 8 orange pairs of lights hovering/flying in sky in non-strict formationTucson
2009-12-232006-11-30circular,red dots around the diskArizona
2009-12-232006-11-30circular,red dots around the diskArizona
2009-12-201988-02-15TWO MIB CONFISCATE CLOSE-UP OF UFO PHOTO AND THREATEN LIVES PHOENIX
2009-12-161982-01-28My Uncle and Freind watch a ufO Not far. It Seemed MIghty Big.Pheonix
2009-12-152009-12-143 Red Orange colored lights over mountian illuminating mountian sideCedar Creek
|Submitted Date:||2009-12-20 16:21 GMT|
|Event Date:||1988-02-15 21:00 GMT|
|Description:||Around 1989 I was working at a restaurant in Scottsdale, Az. I was speaking with a customer and somehow we were on the subject of life on other planets. I recall saying something to the effect of “The odds are that there has to be life on other planets, due to the vast number of planets”. Another customer overheard me say this and said “Do you really believe that”? I said “Yes, I do”. He said “Next time I come in, I am going to show you something”. He had a serious demeanor as he said this. I had no idea what to expect. A few days later he came in and had a brief case with him. This brief case was totally dedicated to this UFO encounter he had experienced. He showed me a map of Arizona, where he had outlined the area that he had encountered a UFO in. It was the Roosevelt Lake area, north of Phoenix. He then pulled out a Polaroid photo he had taken. I stared at that photo for 20 minutes. It is THE most realistic photo of a UFO I have ever seen. And it was VERY close up. The photo was taken from about 50 ft. away. It was taken at night and the ONLY light source was from the UFO itself! It was so apparent that I didn’t even ask if he had used a flash. I was obvious he had not, so I just said, unassumingly, “Why didn’t you use a flash”? His eyes got huge, and he said “Are you kidding! They would have seen me”. The reason you could tell the light was emanating from the craft was because the foliage to the left on the image was illuminated from behind. The foliage was in front of the craft, from the vantage point of the camera. The leaves were black, not green, as would be expected if the light source were from the camera. You could see only the outline of the foliage, not detail, as one would see from a camera flash. The craft was the classic disc-shaped kind. It was gray and metallic looking. The lower portion of the craft was concealed, due to a cliff overhang that it was hovering behind. I would gauge the craft to be about 60 ft. from side to side. The craft was about 50-60 ft. away from the camera-taker. The most fascinating part on the craft was the light on it. There was an orb, about the size of a basketball, that was circling the middle, most wide part of the craft. The orb was pure white in color, with not a tinge of yellow or blue. The reason you could tell the orb was circling the craft was due to the fact that the camera had captured a tail trailing the orb, as would a tail on a comet. So I tell they guy, after freaking out on the amazing authenticity of his photo, that he has to show this to someone. He said “I plan to. There is a professor/ufologist at ASU that is interested in this”. So I see the guy several days later and he said he had taken the photo to the ASU (Arizona State University) guy. He said the ASU professor also said it was the best UFO photo he had ever seen. I see the guy several days later, again, and ask him what the ASU professor guy is doing with the photo and such. He starts acting really weird. He wouldn’t answer me. I asked him again. His demeanor was that he was pissed off. He said to me “I’m not allowed to talk about it”. I said “What? What do you mean?” He said “I’m not allowed to talk about it”. He is really agitated. I can’t resist, so I said “Oh come on”. He said “I’m not allowed to talk about it. Two men from the government showed up at my door and said I am not allowed to mention this again, or I will diappear. They took the photo from the ASU professor and threatened him as well”. Since then I have read much info on UFO phenomena. Interestingly, much of what I have read about MIB, is that they appear at someone’s door, as a pair of two men, to threaten the experiencer. Mind you, his experience was long before MIB, the movie, came out, and MIB became part of general consciousness. I had never heard of MIB at this point. The internet had not taken off yet, so he didn’t research the MIB phenomena to add credence to his story. He didn’t need to anyway, with that photo! It now makes sense to me that these government guys take only the good photos, and leave the junk out there. Thus when the genereal public views the photos, they assume the whole phenomena is people’s imaginations, or pranks. They purposely allow the crappy photos to prevail. If anyone knows who the ASU professor may have been, could you please contact a MUFON representative. I cannot imagine there were many ASU professors/ufologists at the time.|
Men In Black, MIBs or Messengers of Irritating Brainfry, have occupied a significant niche of the popular culture since their first pairing with the UFO phenomenon in the early Fifties.
The term Men in Black (MIBs), in popular culture, is used in UFO conspiracy theories to describe men dressed in black suits, sometimes with glowing eyes or other monstrous features, claiming to be government agents who attempt to harass or threaten UFO witnesses into silence. “All MIB are not necessarily garbed in dark suits”, writes American researcher Jerome Clark. “The term is a generic one, used to refer to any unusual, threatening or strangely behaved individual whose appearance on the scene can be linked in some fashion with a UFO sighting.” (Wikipedia)
In 1963, a book called “Flying Saucers and the Three Men In Black” was published by Albert K. Bender.
Albert K. Bender was running an organization, in 1953, called the International Flying Saucer Bureau (IFSB) and editing a publication called Space Review. In his ’63 book, Bender relates a visit from the MIBs, and appears to have coined the term, at least as we currently use it.
Both the IFSB and the Space Review were suspended after this visit, but as you read this the stories of this type of intimidation are common. Somewhat.
The book also introduced into the lore “three beautiful women, dressed in tight white uniforms.” Like their male counterparts in black, the women in white had “glowing eyes”. For more details of this event, go here: http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc1695.htm.
(I haven’t run across anything about the “Three Women in White”. Anyone?).
As some will already be aware, during the investigation conducted at Point Pleasant, West Virginia by John Keel, there was a series of strange sightings of what some call ‘Men in Black’ as well as a few odd phone calls made to John Keel (and apparently some others) by a man who called himself ‘Indrid Cold.’ By phone, Cold offered some cryptic “prophecies” that had no real relation to the sightings of Mothman and UFO activity going on in that area during1966 & ’67.
Personally, I wonder if the bizarre phone calls from Indrid Cold may have been an example of what Loren Coleman refers to as “Twilight Language”. More on this in another post.
My favorite Point Pleasant MIB encounter? The Man In Black confronting the local reporter/publisher, trying to intimidate, then suddenly attracted to a ball-point pen.
like a pack rat to a lost engagement ring.
Always cracks me up…
For more intriguing thoughts on the MIBs, don’t forget to visit Andy Colvin’s LOWFI Washington http://forteanswest.com/wordpress-mu/washingtonlowfi/ while you’re here, as well as Adam GoRightly’s at http://forteanswest.com/wordpress-mu/norcallowfi/.
Both these guys represent LOWFI contributors who have had encounters.
Please share yours with us!
For a short list of other related articles and such, go here: http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/meninblack.htm.
Some years ago, Jacques Valle was engaged in an involved discussion with two colleagues regarding the rumors of the existence of an underground facility in or near Dulce, New Mexico. After listening for some time, he remarked “Who takes out the garbage?”.
A large underground manned structure of the type and size commonly attributed to the “secret” base near Dulce would generate a significant amount of ground traffic, air traffic,waste, power requirements, water, food and material deliveries.
Dulce is a small town with a population of 2600, and is the center for the Jicarilla Apache Reservation. Traffic and transport as discussed above
would surely be noticeable. How does a government or corporation hide large facilities? In plain sight but disguised is the usual practice.
The article contains images of the San Juan Generating Station located 15 miles west of Farmington, New Mexico. Eighty miles to the east is,
of course, Dulce.
Hmmm. What lies beneath?
J.P. Skipper ’s article below offers some interesting questions and comments regarding the possibility of just such a place near Dulce, New Mexico.
(reprinted with permission. Check out his jam-packed site at http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/index.htm )
December 3, 2009
Joseph P. Skipper
J.P. Skipper can be contacted at: email@example.com
The above 1st image provides a wide-angle context view of the Dulce military facility located in New Mexico just south of the Colorado Mesa Verde National Park mountainous area. It is also located just southeast of the intersection of the state boundary lines of New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, and Colorado known as the 4-Corners area. The 4-Corners is also infamous in the conspiracy and UFO communities mostly because of its proximity to the Dulce base and the many UFO sightings that have been witnessed in this area. Dulce is suppose to be a super secret place except for the slight problem of course of it being infamous.
Many of you are no doubt aware of the Dulce base and the stories that have circulated for years about it. What is known is that this is an Air Force facility and the great majority of this facility is underground. By underground, I do mean very deep underground. In fact, I suspect we would be shocked at just how deep down and how far laterally it reaches into other states. The considerable north and south mining spoil or tailings on the east side of the site visible in the above 1st image and pointed out by the yellow arrows demonstrates that there is in fact a deep mine here and over it is this surface facility.
For any of you who may not be aware of the Dulce Base story, what makes it so infamous is primarily an event some allege to have occurred there back in the 1970s or 1980s. It seems that when the place was being developed in its lowest region at that time around the 7th level, the human team broke through into an even lower chamber and that chamber had aliens in it. There proceeded to be a fire fight with the result that most of the humans did not survive. Just do the online search engine thing on the Dulce Base and you will find out the details of what is suppose to have happened back then and subsequently as humans and aliens are suppose to have developed partnerships in genetic experiments on human populations in exchange for technology.
Now be forewarned that this is not a pleasant story and is in fact as ugly as they come. Further, it suggests a capitulation of human leadership into a hell of compromises both in that time and on into our time that, if true, is the legacy of what we are dealing with today on some secrecy issues. It is that alien/extraterrestrial interaction potential that is the reason for this reporting on Dulce. Remember, only in beginning to understand a thing can we begin to come to grips with its possibilities. If you think you’re up to it, start with the link below for just some basics and proceed from there as your psychology permits.
Now I have no knowledge on the truth any of this story but Dulce as a secret underground complex is at least real. Further, our American tax dollars are paying for it. So it isn’t going to hurt for we in the public to take a look here and try to gain a little more insight into this very secret place that we are paying for.
The above 2nd image demonstrates what the principle part of the facility looks like in a bit closer view from above. The dark rectangular area in the center of the base represents its massive main self contained power generating center. The broad dark area to the right are coal fields just in case the facility in an emergency had to resort to this type of easily storable fuel material. Surface personnel concentration is in the lower part of the surface facility center and just left of center.
Now working up to the left/west side and upper left corner of the facility represents power facilities that are fed into Dulce from an external source. This appears to be from remote massive high tech “Arizona Public Service Power Plant” miles south of and across a east/west highway and waterway from this location and which I’m not showing here. It is on Morgan Lake which is partially artificial in origin, it also shows signs of mining activity with extensive spoil areas, large retention ponds, and it is in New Mexico rather than Arizona even though it is suppose to be an Arizona serving operation.
So the Dulce facility has massive redundant power supply systems both external and internal. That remote power comes into the center left (west) side of Dulce and runs to the right (east) across the center of Dulce and out into the spider network of a huge raised overhead coal conveyor system that you see in the above 2nd image.
The point is that just about everything seen above ground is all about and dedicated to massive power generation and distribution and air handling as a support function for something else underground and not as an end unto itself. In other words, the only thing we can see on the surface is just the support facilities for whatever is below underground. Further, the massive amount of power and air handling utilized here is a direct indicator that whatever is below is really big and really deep.
Above and immediately adjacent to the facility and to the lower left but not shown in the above 2nd image are huge multiple rectangular retention ponds. These are no doubt for toxic wastes associated with the very deep mining operation and perhaps with whatever high tech self-contained power source is being employed here.
If this is a base run by the Air Force as has been indicated by others, it should be noted that there is no air-strip nearby serving just this facility. However, there is one some miles to the southeast in a civilian center. Likely this site connects underground with other distant military facilities as needed. The one thing that is abundantly clear though is that there is a massive facility here and it is underground and the only entity that could afford this kind of massive operation is the government and/or military.
The above 3rd and 4th images demonstrate the considerable presence of air handling fans at the facility. The massive numbers of them along with the mining spoil/tailings clearly confirm the extensiveness of the underground facility. It must be remembered that facility personnel underground must be able to breath quality air and deep mining will almost certainly produce both substances and gases toxic to humans as well as limit the amount of oxygen available.
These air handling fans are obviously here to exhaust toxic gases and to introduce and maintain quality breathable air below. Their numbers and size and the need to move so much air volume tells us that the facility is indeed very deep as well as massive and that a lot of people needing to breath decent air to function properly are present here.
Note the three large retention ponds partially cut off at the top of the image. Take special note of the glowing orange material in the pond on the right looking a bit like lightening bolts or fire. Toxic substances produced by deep mining must be dealt with as well as possibly what ever toxic byproduct is produced by the underground facilities and main power source. Let’s face it, you don’t want to go for a swim in this pond unless you want your body to be quickly corroded away into goo. In fact, dipping your big toe in there could result in pulling back a nub.
The above 5th image is of the dark rectangular area in the center of the surface facility showing four massive units, two larger and two smaller. These almost certainly are boilers representing the facility’s above ground self contained power source. The light color straight lateral dual lines you see in the lower part of the image are elevated conveyor systems originally designed to deliver coal from the dark coal fields on the east side of the facility.
Note that they go off to the right and wind up in a spider hub there. However, it should also be noted that power transmission lines come straight in from the outside power source on the left, across the facility, and matching the direction of the larger conveyor systems perfectly. So these coal conveyor ducts by design likely carry outside power lines elevated across the facility just above the other facility surface components to the conveyor spider hub and then go down into the underground.
The above 6th image demonstrates the network of large coal conveyor duct lines in the main coal field. Such enclosed conveyor systems start out low in the exterior coal bed and transport the coal up an incline to near the top of tall block houses along the line filling them. Then another conveyor starts the process again from the bottom of the block house to the top of the next block house and so on until it reaches its destination for consumption by the giant boilers. Some refining may or may not occur in any intermediate block houses depending on the internal design.
This provides a brief look at what we can visibly see of the Dulce facility proper on the surface. It confirms that Dulce is quite real and that there is some kind of huge facility underground that the large above surface facility supports. This facility was for a long time a secret likely dating back into the 1960s and 1970s until stories about some very bad sounding events happening here started circulating by so called whistle-blowers. So the question becomes, is it now obsolete and now only a product of decades long past?
The above 7th and 8th images shifts the scene to a site roughly 30 km or 18 miles northeast of Dulce. The 7th image is an older one I took many months ago and the 8th is of the same exact location taken for this report a short time ago. As you can see there have been significant changes not only to the site itself but also in the image resolution in being able to view it.
To reach this site one exits from the east side of the Dulce facility mining area traveling northeast via a big wide paved road visible in the upper right corner of the 2nd image and one comes to the above site via the paved road you see in the above 7th and 8th images. The 18 mile stretch of road is named the La Placa Mine Road. It essentially terminates at both sites and is obviously not meant as a public road. It in fact clearly appears to be an extension of the Dulce facility to this more distant surface location.
What brought my attention to this site initially was following the road and discovering the strange zig-zag patterns in the terrain as you see them in the 7th image. This is clearly another mining spoil/tailings site and the pronounced sharp zig-zag patterns are very strange and note that they are confined only to the spoil/tailings dump material. They seem to be a little too organized and strange to be simple weather erosion patterns forming ridges in the relatively soft dump material.
However, that isn’t all. The above 9th and 10th images are of another spot in this same remote spoil/tailings site. Note the many very pronounced uniform size and shape individual objects in the 9th image. The 9th image was taken of this site many months ago and the 10th images taken only a short time ago for this report. As you can see, the changes are once again significant. This type of many individual same size and shape uniform objects evidence is scattered all around this site and the spots imaged here are just representative samples of it.
Once again the resolution in the current views of these individual objects has been fairly severely visually compromised. If this image compromising is intentional, the question quickly becomes why? What is so important about this strange looking zig-zag pattern and many individual objects evidence that someone felt it needed to be obscured at this remote dump site?
What ever the reason might be, despite the image obfuscation, one thing that we can still clearly see is that there has been a lot of work in and additions to this dump site since the prior images were taken. That means that there is active mining producing additional dump material resulting in these ongoing changes. What is also significant is that there is just a dump site going on here function wise and no other kind of mining activity. If this is suppose to be the La Placa Mine site, it obviously isn’t that. It is only a dump site and Dulce base at the other end of that dedicated road is by far the most likely candidate as the source of the dump material.
That brings us back to that big dedicated paved road connecting this site with the Dulce site. Is the Dulce excavation material being transported to this distant site over this road to try and fool eyes in the sky about the degree of excavation activity at the Dulce site? Or, could it be that the Dulce underground site extends 18 miles underground to near this remote site and the dump material is now being fed to this site via underground passages?
What ever the answer is, it is clear that the Dulce underground facility is likely an ongoing monster in size as well as the scope of its activity and that is something that this surface evidence does tend to verify. Some speculate that the Dulce site now extends far out underground to other military sites in other states. I have no idea of the truth of this but one can clearly see from what is on the surface that massive underground excavations are still going on here.
Here’s another thought. Remember those many individual same size and shape objects grouped in large areas all around the remote site? Some of them are also at the main Dulce site. Could these be compacted excavation material cartridges that is a characteristic of a some kind of deep tunnel boring machines (TBMs) used to develop the underground complex? Such cartridges would be an excellent candidate for transportation from the Dulce facility to the remote site over the paved road and explain the uniformity of the objects. Yes it is speculation but not without its logic. Boring machines you say? What need does the Air Force have for such expensive monster underground machines?
The above 11th image is a photograph by the U.S. Department of Energy, Nevada Operations Office, photo number MX-027-30 dated December 14, 1982. Note the Air Force insignia on this Tunnel Boring Machine (TBM) and remember that this picture is about 27 years old meaning that we’re looking at 27 year old technology here. Can you imagine a giant machine like this underground on a railroad track hauling behind it a giant compactor forming huge cylinders of excavated and compacted material fitted to the tunnel sizes that are then transported to the surface and hauled originally via highway to the remote dump site forming the individual objects seen in the 9th image. Could it be a clue?
Obviously the Dulce base is very real as is the very deep subterranean aspect of it. The complex is obviously huge and development there underground is clearly ongoing and current. However, whether this involves aliens or not is not something that this visual evidence cannot answer. The problem with the revelations/stories that circulate about Dulce is that the most successful secrecy counter measure is to spread so many different stories, including even those uncomfortable for secrecy, so that one can never get an objective bead with confidence on what is true and what isn’t.
Like a dose of medicine that one should take for one’s own good, you need to know something about this real world secret place in so far as visual surface evidence can reveal it. That way, should the issues of alien presence and partnerships and/or Nibiru is coming preparation arise again in the future, maybe it will not be so easy to deflect innocent naive public thoughts away from determining the merit of such issues and onto pointless questions of whether such a place exists at all or not or whether something is actively happening there or not.
Understand that my purpose in examining places like this is not to reveal secrets to America’s adversaries. In these modern times, such adversaries have their own unobfuscated satellite views and their own professional experts that examine surface places like this in much greater detail than we can here through this often obfuscated Google Earth imaging. They know far more about this place and others in minute detail than we do here in the Google Earth imaging.
Just remember that some truths, like medicine that is ultimately good for you, is rarely pleasant. Secrecy types need to relax and understand that this knowledge is part of the growth process and necessary in ramping up to face the real world issues coming. In other words, no one is criticizing or threatening you here, it’s just growth.
ADDENDUM (added 12/16/2009)
You should be aware that I have received a few emails (3 so far) from sincere people cautioning me that the facility I have reported on above is not the Dulce Base but simply the New Mexico San Juan Power Plant. Their point being that I have misidentified the place in my above reporting. These observations have uncovered a fault in my reporting even if not the one they are pointing out. My fault is that I failed to mention that the above ground evidence in the above reporting is indeed named the San Juan Power Plant.
You see, after years of doing this kind of reporting that so often also happens to impinge on the clandestine activities of others and placing so much emphasis on visual evidence, I assumed that the visual evidence I pointed out in my above reporting was obvious enough to overcome the personal experience of some that might be associated with the places I report on. That was a mistake. What is obvious to me or any one person may not necessarily be obvious to others.
Since this website’s content tends to be universal in its appeal covering so many walks of life, I should have anticipated that those more closely associated with the surface San Juan facility and familiar with it but not necessarily with its underground clandestine aspect would be put off a bit by my reporting. Further, some of those doing the Google Earth search to verify would encounter the Google labeling of this place that it is just the San Juan Power Plant giving them pause as well. No my reporting has not misidentified this place but it was insufficient in taking all these types of reactions to my reporting into consideration.
If a clandestine operation is trying to be super secret, it often historically depends on being located at remote places insulated by desolate terrain few wish to intrude into and supplemented by guard assets. Area 51 as well as Pine Gap and Tower Zero in Australia are examples of that but all the unusual visual activity in the sky around such facilities eventually and predictably erodes their secrecy value. When it comes to secrecy, unusual visual activity observable by very many civilians is always a bane. In other words, surface isolation is not always effective when it comes to secrecy.
The secrecy alternative of going underground takes care of a lot of the visual observation problems but preparing the space underground then becomes a significant problem in the form of what to do with the waste produced by excavations. If the underground facility is going to be very extensive, the waste in the form of mining spoils or tailings can easily compromise secrecy. So you locate at an already existing mine that already has spoil/tailings grounds on the surface that some locals are already familiar with seeing.
You must have a cover like a spy might operate out of an innocuous antique store as their front operation. So you install an above ground power plant at or near the old mining site that in theory burns coal from the nearby old mine. It is big and the surface excavations for the power plant installation in 1973 in this case serve as cover for starting the underground facility. You have two fronts working for you, one being the power plant on the surface and the other being the subterranean coal mine. These fronts employ locals who in turn become dependent of that employment and quite naturally favorable to the place since it supports lives and families over the following decades. It doesn’t pay for them to be too suspicious of anything and normally they aren’t. You just keep their focus on the front operations and away from any clandestine activities below.
So you gradually dig out your underground facility far down deep below. The clandestine digging waste mixes with the old coal mining spoils and fresher power plant excavations. However, your underground facility is very ambitious and there’s just too much waste over time that you know will eventually draw curious local attention. You anticipate this and start spreading the waste out at other remote but reasonably convenient sites like the site of another big power plant just a few miles away to the south that you also installed and also at an old mine site northeast.
The problem is that this may put off your own average civilian but it is not really going to put off professional clandestine observers employed by adversaries looking at the evidence from their own satellites with close clear views far better than those available on Google Earth. They know about the spreading out of the waste strategy because many of them are likely doing the same thing in their countries with their covert facilities facing similar problems. They can add up the spoil volume and get a pretty good idea of how extensive your underground activities are far beyond the scope of simple coal mining and whether your activities are current or not. Any other consideration is simply delusion.
Competitors and adversaries clearly see the huge surface retention ponds that you can’t hide where you are having to deal with deadly toxic wastes from very deep mining. They clearly see the huge air handling fan systems required to make your subterranean operation viable for human activity. They monitor this for many years and even decades tracking all the surface changes also an unavoidable result of your activity. One of those changes over time is the great number of dumped uniform cylinders or cartridges of compacted waste stacked around at the spoil sites identifying the use of TBMs (Tunnel Boring Machines) that you allowed to sit around too long before bulldozing them out into smoother profiles in the spoil sites. Remember, being secrecy types themselves, they think like you do and not like innocent civilians.
Let’s face it, what you are doing deep down in fulfilling the purpose of creating an underground facility may still be a secret from most distant prying eyes but that there is a facility and its likely extent and where its main activity you don’t mind them seeing is located (San Juan) is no secret at all except possibly to the people of the country or area in which this is happening. I follow evidence and the visual evidence of an extensive underground complex beginning with the San Juan facility location is visible in publicly available programs like Google Earth. You could have hidden them if you truly wanted to. I cannot help what the front operation is formally named or what local personal experience with it may or may not be.
Now the fight with aliens story as told is one of an underground deep mining complex operation by the Air Force that is suppose to be an underground base named Dulce and it is suppose to be a super secret facility in the 4-Corners area. Remember, I cannot and do not make comment on the truth of this story as that cannot be answered by this satellite visual evidence even as the implications of its presence is another matter. As for UFO sightings around “Dulce” the town 80+ miles east of San Juan, that is another matter. I am reminded that UFO sightings are also thick in the 4-Corners multi state area nearby the facility that I have reported on here and not that far from the town of Dulce.
Yes the facility I’ve reported on may be formally named the San Juan Power Plant but it also fits the Dulce Air Force deep tunneling operation profile just fine, if a place by that name really exists. The fact that there is a town east of this facility named Dulce is just incidental to the visual evidence at hand here at San Juan and likely merely misdirection.
The huge amount of spread out mining spoils locations on the surface, some located at San Juan, some located at the other power plant to the south, and some at the more remote La Plata site northeast far exceed any claim of a coal mining operation at San Juan. This satellite visual evidence tells the story of an extensive deep tunneling complex initiated below San Juan well beyond the scope of a coal mine or surface power plant in use for civilian purposes. The huge toxic waste retention ponds and the tremendous amount of air handlers also tell the real story of a very deep complex underground here at San Juan.
If the alien fire fight story is real and there is a Dulce Air Force underground facility somewhere in this general area, this is it. Remember that 27 year old image above of that Tunnel Boring Machine with the Air Force emblem on it clearly indicates that the Air Force is involved some where in this activity. If there isn’t a facility named Dulce because the alien story isn’t real, then the San Juan site is the primary site of some kind of underground super secret facility yet unnamed and the only one that can afford such extensive and costly development without monetary return expectation can only be government and/or military.
Contrarily, if some researchers/hunters in the past went to the town of Dulce, New Mexico to investigate the alien fire fight scenario and not just some UFO sightings, then they likely fell into misdirection and went to the wrong place. San Juan and its environs has the visual hard evidence on the surface and it is the place as described and the real place to start.
Super secret military facilities that have outlived past secret usefulness are labeled for what they are in Google Earth as is the case with Area 51 clearly identified in the program. That is no accident. Super secret military facilities that are still fully and effectively serving their intended secret purpose like the so called Dulce Base are not going to be identified by labels in Google Earth and of course will always appear as something more mundane and as something far from their true clandestine function.
San Juan Power Plant is a good cover and, in its capacity as the surface San Juan facility, the civilians associated with it likely do not know and do not wish to know about what is underneath them. Further, who can blame them for just wanting to live their lives without the stress of these kinds of considerations deep beneath their feet. However, I can’t help what front operations portray for appearances or what local belief systems are as to what people can’t believe is there. The bottom line is that the visual evidence is there at San Juan and I have no choice but to go with that and viewers must decide any merit or not on their own.
I do apologize though to anyone associated past or present with San Juan and put off by my original reporting for not anticipating their reactions and not trying to attend to them. Perhaps better late than never?
Joseph P. Skipper, Investigator http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/index.htm
By John Faherty – The Arizona Republic via AP
No, G-Man, No!
The following article describes how there is often more to a story that we think we know. The U.S. Air Force is working with Archaeologists, Native American Leaders, and local citizens to preserve priceless artifacts that are now on military bombing ranges and proving grounds.
Cultural Resource Management is an important aspect of preserving endangered places while educating interested parties.
This particular effort shows that, if done carefully, you CAN preserve the past, while blowing shit up.
PHOENIX — There are places here where the desert floor is so speckled with artifacts, it is difficult to find a step that will not fracture history.
In a place called Lago Seco, pieces of pottery, many more than 800 years old, glisten in the morning sun. Stone tools and arrowheads are covered with only a thin layer of sand.
Then in the howling silence, a massive cloud of dirt and sand rises from the ground. Moments later, a concussive blast rolls out of Manned Range 4.
The bomb was dropped from a jet neither seen nor heard.
War games and live fire are expected on this military bombing range.
But there are also delicate reminders — cultural traces — of a people who lived here beginning around 10,000 B.C.
This desert, both severe and beautiful, is home to some of the best-preserved archaeological sites in the Southwest.
They remain because the military — with an arsenal of overwhelming force — practices its craft with an eye on preserving history on the nearly 3,000 square miles of desert.
Archaeologists tell pilots where the bombs can land, and the pilots listen.
The Air Force controls access to visitors, which eliminates factors that have destroyed so many other archaeological sites: bandits who steal, hikers who squash and off-roaders who crush.
“Snake-eye, this is R-M-O Rankin. Request permission to cross Range 4 to the entrance of North Tac.”
Adrianne Rankin put down the two-way radio and waited.
An archaeologist, she has worked for the Range Management Office on the Goldwater range since 1996. Her office is at Luke Air Force Base near Glendale, but her work is in the desert.
Today, the barren desert along the Mexican border east of Yuma is mostly a place for passing through. For years, archaeologists thought it had been the same for ancient people, who moved back and forth from the Gulf of California to the north, trading seashells and salt for pottery and blossoms.
Now they see it differently.
Rankin was a member of a team that studied a village named Kuakatch in the nearby Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument.
“There is a sense of awe over how the people were living in harmony with their environment,” Rankin said. “There was a rhythm.”
As they moved, they left messages for one another that remain today. The elaborate petroglyphs, carved into impossibly hard granite, loom on rock walls, stories of a lost time.
Sometime around 1450, the people who roamed the desert flats left and never came back, leaving behind gatherings of pottery and artifacts like a family that has moved out of a house abruptly.
The Tohono O’odham tribe, descendants of the earlier residents, knew the archaeological treasures were there and left them alone. Outsiders rarely visited.
As centuries passed and the land baked in the sun, the world around it changed.
Then the troops arrived. They did not start out as conservators.
In 1941, the War Department and the Army Air Corps claimed the range. The weather was perfect for flying, and the Sonoran Desert was ideal for bombing and gunnery practice.
Landing strips were built and bombs were dropped with impunity in a rush to achieve military readiness.
No one knows now how many treasures may have been destroyed.
Today, the Air Force’s Range Management Office runs the bulk of the territory, with the western-most portion under control of the Marine Corps.
Archaeologists like Rankin survey known sites like Lago Seco. They use predictive modeling techniques to figure where other sites like it may be. Those are off-limits to military operations.
Staff biologists track the Sonoran pronghorn, an endangered species that lives on the range. Before explosives are fired at a target, spotters check the area. If a pronghorn is seen within 3 miles of a target, the mission is stopped.
The office is run by Jim Uken, a former fighter pilot who was initially ambivalent about the job. “I spent most of my career in a cockpit,” he said. “I wondered what I was getting into.”
But Uken, 57, already knew how seriously the Air Force took these orders.
During the Gulf War, he flew an F-4 Phantom on what were called “wild weasel” missions to suppress anti-aircraft missiles.
“You would get your daily orders. They were your rules, your dos and don’ts,” Uken said. “Some targets were just off-limits, even in a reactionary mode. There were culturally significant places you could not hit.”
At Goldwater Range, nearly 94 percent of the land is protected.
“We closed some targets when we decided the value of the archaeological site superseded the value of the target,” said Uken, a retired colonel now working as a civilian.
Another important factor for preservation is the fact that the military’s presence has prevented farming, mining and grazing.
One of Uken’s favorite parts of the preservation effort is when a representative of the Tohono O’odham Nation talks to pilots-in-training and their instructors.
“These are very patriotic people,” Uken said of the Tohono O’odhams. “Many of them have served. They understand the importance of military preparedness. They also know why the land matters.”
“The pilots, they listen and they ask a lot of questions about how it was and where these people came from. They want to know what makes it sacred,” said Joe Joaquin, a cultural affairs officer for the Tohono O’odham Nation.
Joaquin, 76, was born and raised on the reservation. He was 8 years old when the range was created and planes started flying over his home, in an area called Big Fields, near Sells.
He was still a teenager when he joined the Marines. He served 20 years, fighting in both Korea and Vietnam.
Now, every couple of months he goes to Luke Air Force Base to talk to visiting pilots in a program called “Face to the Nation.”
He sometimes invites the instructors to go to the range with him.
“We get them to walk on the earth,” Joaquin said, sitting in an office near the tribal headquarters in the town of Sells. “They see it from so high and so fast, but down on the earth you see things.”
Arizona UFO Activity Spikes
UFO Chased by Fighter Jets Over Havasu
Phoenix Lights Return!
Phoenix Lights Return Again!
Phoenix Streetlights Trigger Panic, Hoarding, Cannibalism!
Some AZ Sightings Coverage Triggers Reflux!
I have also noticed a spike in the reports from Arizona for the past 20 months. By many credible and understandably excited and wondering folks.
“Whoa. What WAS that?!!” are questions that seem to be growing hereabouts. That’s great, as far as I’m concerned. Indeed, most reports I’ve read are as objective and factual as the reporter could be. Most reporters (lay folk, not journalists) try to separate their feelings from observations. This, too, is greatly appreciated.
What he clearly reported was a fast, intermittently moving, orderly group of flying wing-shaped objects. At a loss for words to describe this unusual aerial motion, he stated that the objects moved “in a skipping fashion, like a saucer skipping over water”. Someone grabbed the saucer reference and ran with it, even though it had nothing to do with the objects’ shapes.
Lois Lane to Jimmy Olson:
“Remember, Jimmy. You have an instant to grab the readers’ attention. Real Reporters call that instant ‘The Headline’”.
“Gee, whiz, Miss Lane. I’m on it!”.
Since then, many others have reported similar odd, shifting or skipping flight of some UFOs. A Trekkie would say “phasing in and out “. I really can not find much material on these types of observations, but it seems to be a recurring element of the phenomena.
There is no credible reference to a “saucer” crash at Roswell, as there were no witnesses we know of. Only strange debris from some kind of manufactured craft. No public information exists as to the object’s original shape. Only materials. But by then, the Arnold sighting and mislabeling had set in.
Kenneth Arnold with artist’s depiction
(don’ look like no steenkin’ saucer)
Sharon, I too could not help but connect some recent sighting events with an increase of “readiness” from our Armed Forces. Testing and training are SO centered here in the Southwest..
The object recovery reports from Needles seems to point in this direction (pun intended). But was River Bob firebombed?
And Bob (not River Bob), your breakdown of the EBX High Altitude Balloon flight and its “viewing window” over AZ & NM is spot on. Sure. That could very well have accounted for those reports. Thanks for looking up the details of altitude, flight path, time of day, etc. Or did you already know this? And would this test platform possibly look totally unlike a recreational hot air balloon?
The X45c. An Unmanned Combat Arial Vehicle (UCAV)
It’s brethren are either in tests, or actual deployment
And I’m glad that folks are paying attention enough to ask the questions.
Yet, I believe that there might be more to some of these sightings than their uninvestigated whole might imply.
Sure, most can be quietly accounted for.
I could state again that ANY three points of light in the night sky form a triangle.
From any viewpoint, except when observed as a straight line.
For at least as long as it takes for a person or webcam to see it.
“tear in he clouds” over Louisiana, 2008
Sure, it’s a weather event. But what caused that?
Conversely, I could take that image, copyright it, sell it, even, using gripping jargon like
” The single most import series of REAL photos of ALLEGED UFOs EVER” while hoping that someone might never question the use of the words “real, alleged, unidentified” in the same breath.
But I wouldn’t.
(not a Caret Drone)
(Rotors virtually invisible when operating)
But I do take seriously reports from three adjacent police departments regarding a ground chase of a “Triangle-shaped, silent, huge craft” that cruised those same towns’ skies…
My own best recent experience was just like the above, but I was able to whittle it down to a rare B2 Bomber nighttime flyover. At very low altitude. Tiny little running lights were the tipoff, and the almost inaudible engines. Those special engines by GE are quiet, and sound very distinctive.
But it was WAY cooler to me when it was “unidentified”.
Others defy explanation.
Tucson, AZ 3/09
(taken by Cym, this view is to the NE. Not a wind effect, as the winds
That day were from the NNW)
Submitted by Virgil and Mike. 35mm film.
Anomalous object noticed after development. Yes, the lens was clean.
Object above the Sun Dog is not a lens flare, either.
Also submitted by Virgil& Mike
Some local, recent sightings s above seem to be more biological than mechanical in nature. I’ve heard some good arguments for the theory of unknown aerial life forms… then again, does that amoeba/jellyfish appearance come from a type of light-bending camo? We have this ability now, why wouldn’t “They”? Or is “They” Us?
Some objects filmed or sighted may never be explained. Beyond this, events in our lives may defy description. Some things will always be unknowable.
I also have no answers for my neighbors, though, who have seen their reasonably happy lives disrupted by a series of abductions spanning years. With not even their children safe from these terrifying, unknown, repeated events, even their basic rights to security and liberty have been stripped away. All I can do is listen, talk with them, offer them others to contact who might know this phenomena better. Beyond my ken, but it’s there with them nonetheless. They’re showing some amazing fortitude in all this, and can even joke about “It”, but they’d clearly rather not have this in their lives.
There I was,
There I was,
There I was,
In the Congo…
No, actually somewhere near Mexico, walking across a dry alkaline lake bed that hadn’t even approached the word “lake” in some hundreds of years. Even after the Monsoon, the wettest this place can do is to transform into a small sea of grayish muck, clinging to everything, trying to have you join it in eternal muckdom. Or is it ” consummate muckiness”?
Once dry, however, it is a sea of hard plaster, screed flat by wind and gravity.
To my left, Lot’s wife. Still a pillar of the community, I see.
To my right, Lot’s abandoned 4×4, half muck-sucked in, and doing a sort of freeze-frame La Brea Tar Pit thing.
You can imagine it screaming as little Suzukis tear at its quarter panels.
A half mile past that, nothing but view. And nothing in view, except blue sky above, grey dried mud below, and the cool mountains in the distance.
As much as I love the forests, particularly those of the ancient Appalachians, I also love the desert.
Space, light, distance, focus. Unlike any other wild place on earth. The Sonoran Desert is rich with life, diverse and eclectic, most of its animals hidden. Somewhere not far from here, the last remaining Sonoran Pronghorn are probably keeping tabs on me.
The flats are barren, boring to some. But the sense of scale one gets is truly unique, especially in bright daylight. With so little around to break the horizon, or call the eye, one can get a feeling of being overwhelmed by the vastness, tiny in this huge harsh land.
I find myself looking for “galloping stones”, as this would be a great place for them to gambol about. Or do the Electric Slide (hey, that’s what they DO).
But they tend to favor the Mojave.
Other times, one can feel expansive, somewhat bigger than life, as the miles pass underneath your feet and that horizon gets perceptively closer. “Fastwalking” the Navajo call it. Although that comparison is weak.
It’s more like something Dr. Manhattan would feel when he does the giant blue body thing.
A raven may be the only life you see, flying over to see why you might be here.
The usual comment : “Roark”.
The polite response: “Roark”.
That’s usually enough for ravens, but they’re cool enough to acknowledge your presence.
With the scale so grand about you, but at a distance, it seems the mind is compelled to look for and focus upon, any little, close object or anomaly in this otherwise flat, bright Kafkaesque limbo.
And there, away off over there, it was.
As I got closer, it took a familiar form. And the questions began…
I thought about out-of-place-artifacts. Yup. Certainly. But Who, When, Why?
The style was familiar, but I couldn’t place it. Anasazi? Hohokam? Archaic? And how about the placement? Looks like it had been exposed to maybe a dozen rains, not the thousands it would have endured if it had been left some time longer ago.
It certainly looked melted into the hard pan of the lakebed.
I was reminded of the hoard of Roman coins that was unearthed in Tucson some decades ago. Genuine Roman mint, coined in the year 500 A.D. or so. Found by locals during construction.
May have been a hoax, but how was it explained that the coins were recovered in soil strata that corresponded to the time of their minting?
That cube of alloyed metal, near perfect in its dimensions,of unknown composition, that was found in a seam of Cornwall coal 30 million years old.
The recently discovered wristwatch in a Chinese tomb, 200 years out of place.
Maybe it was left behind by some trading visitors long ago. Even then there was trade between those here in Tuc-Son (”beneath the Black Mountain”), the Aztecs, and the people of what is now California.
This one could be explained a bit easier. Maybe, some pot hunter left it here recently, after taking it from its original resting place. As an Archaeology student, I find looting to be a crime against heritage and culture. Abhorrent.
I decide to leave it place. As out-of-place as it is, I’d only add to it.
Still does not explain it being on top of the drimuck, instead of a few feet down.
As I was still in a pondering mindset, I began to wonder again about our sense of scale, and how we often assume that all is scaled to our limited mindset. All of History is abstract, but one lifetime is the yardstick. Ours.
Time is measured by how much we’ve got under the belt, and how much might be left. To us.
Distances are meaningless beyond that which we commonly experience.
A twenty-three mile commute is either a drag or a dream, but 23 billion light years just does not enter the discussion.
We seem to ignore the microscopic, or simply forget to remember that nano-tech, of a natural sort, begins and maintains life itself.
Kinda makes us sound parochial, huh?
Hynek called it “Temporal Provincialism”.
Such is the human condition.
As I took photos, I heard a noise, like scraping, from inside the pot. Looking in, it was made by something long, green, and alive.
No bout a doubt it.
Its head resembled something fierce, with weird, horizontal jaws. I was not about to stick my hand or anything else in there. I respect any animal, and I LOVE my limbs and digits still attached, thank you.
Taken aback (two steps back), the first thing to come to mind was the Mongolian Death Worm.
But aren’t they supposed to be red? The climate was right, but the continent, wrong.
But there it was, coiled in that pot like a snake charmer’s cobra in its basket.
And I knew that there ain’t no field guide gonna he’p me now.
Thinking along paranormal lines, I reminded myself that “nuts and bolts” solutions are rare when confronted by the raw unknown of anomalies. Especially when the item at hand seems to have an element of deliberate existence.
Sometimes, as in the entire field of ufology, we’re dealing with an intelligence that may or may not comply with our preconceptions, expectations, and provincial behavior.
That’s OUR problem. Especially in efforts to communicate with the “other”.
Even a purely physical interaction could be communication (i.e. I broke the pot to see the creature. The creature was made to feel unsafe, and face-hugged me).
But, especially through language, people expect an exchange of concepts. Abstracted out, so we don’t have to convey ideas like very bad mimes (I still can’t do the “Man-in-Box”).
Clear communication is best when between two intelligent entities who think alike, have shared concepts, and have a middle-ground medium with which to exchange them.
I’m hoping that the entities we have had some interactions with (ETs or Extra Dimensionals)
Are at least similar enough to us to find this common medium. Some telepathic exchanges, as reported by abductees and experiencers, go both ways, good and bad. Very good and Very bad, it seems.
It is quite possible that there will be contact with entities that have almost no common ground with us at all. No shared views or concepts whatsoever. The Truely Alien. At that point, mutual avoidance might be the best course of action. Let’s hope we do not compete for resources.
As for the artifact and the possible face-hugger?
My mystery was only a question of scale. *
Mutual avoidance seemed best.
*No Potter Wasps were injured by this article, but the inchworm inside is PISSED about being used as baby food.
How Aliens Avoid Detection
By Faye Passow
Yeah, I think it’s funny, too. The coolest thing about this type of event is that it’s not the weirdest UFO sighting or encounter I’ve read about. Seemingly absurd, even comic accounts of human encounters with the unexplained are peppered throughout the UFO literature.
My favorites include the man who witnessed an unusual craft land, opening up to reveal three occupants, controls, and a stove. He was given hotcakes. They were analyzed later and found to be normal, but lacking in salt. How do you relate this information, and report the encounter, and keep a straight face? Never mind hearing about it. Haw, Haw, Haw!
“Yeah, and after that we had breakfast”.
Bust my gut.
But, what a great way to ensure that your presence will never be widely accepted, and never examined with all the resources available.
Researchers like Jacques Vallee have taken encounters like that above and connected them to themes of interactions most commonly found in legends and fairy tales.
Archetypal parallels, the events updated with high-tech vehicles and alien appearances, but still interactions between us and the Fey World of myth. This theory is worth more examination.
The Extra-Terrestial Hypothesis (ETH) that holds UFOs as visitors or unmanned craft from other star systems, still has plenty of merit, in my opinion. Given the age of the universe, the numbers of potentially life-sustaining planets, and the fact that we’re noisy neighbors, odds are that somebody or some thing is gonna drop by to see what the ruckus is about.
The Extra-Dimentional Hypothesis (EDH) also has merit. As the Multiverse Theory slowly gains widespread ratification, and the population at large slowly grasps its implications, the idea of visitors from “other realities” doesn’t seem so outrageous. Especially when considered in light of “High Strangeness events”. Having UFO events, Bigfoot sightings, Giant bird sightings, bird-men sightings, and other paranormal incidents in the same places at the same time really does challenge us to expand our point of view.
The Psycho-Social Hypothesis (PSH) stresses the fact that what we percieve and believe are as much a product of our minds and culture as what “might really be there”.There are spiritual aspects of the phenomena, usually related to the observer/participant interpretation of the perceived. There are also biological aspects, as our senses are not perfect and lead to many illusions of experience. The mind itself is notoriously easy to deceive, as we constantly misperceive, misjudge and erroneously fill in missing spaces and gaps with our preferences.
Or nightmares. All too often, even without our awareness, our minds create images, memories, and “facts” that simply are not reflected in reality.
Sometimes, we get lost in fantasy, forcing it upon our world view. Usually, it’s harmless. Sometimes not.
”I turned to listen to the speaker, a channeler who was busily telling us how the spiritual SWAT team from the Sagittarius galaxy was coming to make our lives wonderful, and do everything short of showing us how to simplify the tax code while cutting the deficit. I looked at all the people smiling and nodding around me, rapt with knowledge that a better day was coming, and envied them their conviction. But then, contentment only comes to those who stop questioning, and that’s not a price I’m willing to pay.”
-Bufo Calvin, 1997
I have to agree. But if we DO get visitors from that direction, let’s hope they’re from Sagittarius A*. That’d be most cool, indeed.
Even the best theories remain just that without empirical proof. We may hold to our favorite beliefs with fanaticism, but the presentation of factual evidence should sway most reasonable people. One way or the other. Without facts to guide the process, we are free to develop and discuss the various theories that arise to help us understand all paranormal events. But speculation can carry us only so far. To have real answers to these very real questions, credible research must be conducted, and verified. In a civil discourse, with facts as base to debates, the best theories will rise to the top. Others will fall away. Events may occur that reverse previous thinking. Research is ongoing. Call me a dreamer…
Meanwhile, enjoy the show! And keep questioning. Nobody is holding a gun to my head, so I’ll suspend my belief in any theory until it is well on the way to fact. And I’ll try not to be too quick to discount, either.
To paraphrase Arthur C. Clark (PBUH):
“Learning and Loving are the two most important things in life”.
We live in an awesome, shocking and sometimes funny Multiverse. Let’s find out more about it.
(Sagittarius A* is the designation for the black hole at our galaxy’s center)
In recent weeks, I’ve heard State officials from California to Texas commenting on the increasing anarchy in Mexico. When asked about the growing “blow-over” of murder and mayhem to our side of the border, the answer has been “We’re dealing with it, and we’ve got the facilities to deal with further incursions”.
Oddly enough, other officials, including Homeland Security, will simply state that they “are reviewing and revising plans that are in development”.
Really? What have you got so far?
SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) – 1/24/06
KBR, the engineering and construction subsidiary of Halliburton Co. HAL, said Tuesday it has been awarded a contingency contract from the Department of Homeland Security to supports its Immigration and Customs Enforcement facilities in the event of an emergency. The maximum total value of the contract is $385 million and consists of a 1-year base period with four 1-year options. KBR held the previous ICE contract from 2000 through 2005. The contract, which is effective immediately, provides for establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities to expand existing ICE Detention and Removal Operations Program facilities in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs, KBR said. The contract may also provide migrant detention support to other government organizations in the event of an immigration emergency, as well as the development of a plan to react to a national emergency, such as a natural disaster, the company said.
Yes, the same KBR/Haliburton so loved by our former Vice President, Dick Cheney(Criminal charges pending).
Oh, that’s how it works, eh? Someone’s been very busy lately.
What might those “new programs” be?
There over 800 prison camps in the United States, all fully operational and ready to receive prisoners. They are all staffed and guarded, but they are virtually empty. These camps are operated by FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency), and should Martial Law need to be implemented in the United States all it would take is a presidential signature on a proclamation and the attorney general’s signature on a warrant to which a list of names is attached.
The Rex 84 Program was established on the reasoning that if a “mass exodus” of illegal aliens crossed the Mexican/US border, they would be quickly rounded up and detained in detention centers by FEMA. Rex 84 allowed many military bases to be closed down and to be turned into prisons.
Operation Cable Splicer and Garden Plot are the two sub programs which will be implemented once the Rex 84 program is initiated for its proper purpose. Garden Plot is the program to control the population. Cable Splicer is the program for an orderly takeover of the state and local governments by the federal government. FEMA is the executive arm of the coming police state and thus will head up all operations. The Presidential Executive Orders already listed on the Federal Register also are part of the legal framework for this operation.
Project “Endgame” ties all the loose ends together (who comes up with this shit?).
The camps all have railroad facilities as well as roads leading to and from the detention facilities. Many also have an airport nearby. The majority of the camps can house a population of 20,000 prisoners. Currently, the largest of these facilities is just outside of Fairbanks, Alaska. The Alaskan facility is a massive “mental health facility” and can reputedly hold approximately 2 million people.
(To find a detention camp near YOU, press the “FEMA Camp Locations” button, above)
What about the Constitution? The Bill of Rights?
Executive Orders associated with FEMA that would suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
These Executive Orders have been on record for nearly 30 years and could be enacted by the stroke of a Presidential pen:
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990
allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995
allows the government to seize and control the communication media.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997
allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998
allows the government to seize all means of transportation, including personal cars, trucks or vehicles of any kind and total control over all highways, seaports, and waterways.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10999
allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000
allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001
allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002
designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005
allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051
specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310
grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049
assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921
allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months. The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation. General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMA’s Civil Security Division stated in a 1983 conference that he saw FEMA’s role as a “new frontier in the protection of individual and governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and military installations from sabotage and/or attack, as well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining access to U.S. opinion, or a global audience in times of crisis.” FEMA’s powers were consolidated by President Carter to incorporate the…
National Security Act of 1947
allows for the strategic relocation of industries, services, government and other essential economic activities, and to rationalize the requirements for manpower, resources and production facilities.
1950 Defense Production Act
gives the President sweeping powers over all aspects of the economy.
Act of August 29, 1916
authorizes the Secretary of the Army, in time of war, to take possession of any transportation system for transporting troops, material, or any other purpose related to the emergency.
International Emergency Economic Powers Act
enables the President to seize the property of a foreign country or national.
-These powers were transferred to FEMA in a sweeping consolidation in 1979.
-Most of the camps have been constructed or renovated within the past few years.
-Hurricane Katrina, preparation and aftermath, was called an “exercise” by our then Vice President. A shameful loss and shuffling of citizens.
Hmmmmm. So we have an identified plan, the “legal structures” in place to allow it to bear fruit, a growing number of discretely-constructed new “detainment facilities” that could conceivably hold MILLIONS of people.
We also have a growing border problem as things get worse in Mexico. This is certainly due to our border still being OPEN to illegal traffic of all kinds.
Why would our Government build all these camps to accommodate a “massive influx of refugees “when the border is left open?
Instead of preparing for a “massive influx”, why not devote some time and energy to filtering out undesirables, and allow good folks to seek refuge and that better life we used to be proud to offer?
Hey, what were those “Other Programs” again?
Could there be several agendas being worked here?
Yes. There is always the possibility that “Programs” are funded, developed and implemented with outcomes totally different than the stated purpose.
However, let’s remember that to think that there is a conspiracy and dark agenda behind this assumes a certain level of intelligence within the conspirators.
A level of intelligence they might not deserve.
-To think that these things came to pass as a result of greed, favoritism, manipulation, avarice, hubris and incompetence is just as likely.
And I truly don’t know which scenario scares me more.
Special thanks to:
Grey Ghost of Thothweb (http://www.thothweb.com/),
Phantoms and Monsters http://naturalplane.blogspot.com/ and