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The following interview took place in 2005 between Len Osanic of Black Op Radio and the late Walter Bowart, author of the groundbreaking 1978 book Operation Mind Control. It has been edited down for placement here on the blog. The full interview was transcribed for inclusion in The Mothman’s Photographer III: Meetings With Remarkable West Coast Witnesses Touched by Anomalous Activities of Interdimensional Entities, Archetypal Avatars, and the Eerie Yet Enlightening Phenomenon Known Infamously as “Mothman.” In this interview – one of Bowart’s last – Bowart alludes to the UFO phenomenon as being part of government mind control (i.e., MJ-12 as a precursor to MK-Ultra).
Len Osanic of Black Op Radio (LO): We are very pleased to have with us Mr. Walter Bowart, who is the author of a very historic book, Operation Mind Control. Tell us about Operation Mind Control.
Walter Bowart (WB): I started digging around. The German Gehlen organization became part of the CIA. I interviewed a lot of people from behind the Iron Curtain – a different breed of people. Fletcher Prouty became a friend of mine. Fletcher was one of those Yale boys. He flew Presidents Truman and Roosevelt around. After the war, the CIA was formed with new secrecy agreements asking generals and high-ranking military officers to sign this weird oath [sending them] to prison if they talked about any of these secrets. Prouty and his commanding officers said in no uncertain terms, “Get these Yalies, these little college boys out of here. We fought a war and won. We swore to uphold the Constitution and our oath is good. We don’t need a contract to sign.” Of course the contract was founded upon the National Security Act, which we’re still operating under. We have martial law in this country, and we have had it since WW II. It’s never been revoked.
LO: Colonel Prouty was one of the few people who wasn’t silenced by an oath. That’s an interesting point.
WB: He was an amazing man. He had a great heart, a great soul, and was an honest, forthright man. I dedicated Operation Mind Control to him and others like him [who] tell the truth. There’s not enough of that [nowadays]. Now we’re in worse shape, with Homeland Security and this [War on] “Terror.” It was hard enough to find the “communists” under the bed. How are we going to find the “terrorists” under the bed?
LO: [Especially] when it circles back to who’s financing them…
WB: Yes, the whole banking thing… Of course [the key to the program itself stays] on the run. As Canadian Marshall McLuhan [said] “When information travels at the speed of light, there can be no secrecy, no propriety – everything becomes transparent.” And that’s what is happening. That’s why we’re so aware of the cryptocracy. When the World Trade Center was bombed [and] hit by the airplanes on 9/11, I called my son who was in a very expensive private school. I asked, “What are you doing?” and he said, “Well, we have Study Hall, so we can watch the [attack] on television.” I asked, “Well, what’s the consensus opinion of the kids there in the Study Hall.” He says, “Almost every one of them believes that elements of the United States blew up their own building to whip the gullible public into believing we were under attack.” That was a first impression. So there’s very little credibility in our government anymore. You can track that from the assassination of Kennedy. [That] is when it all turned. I remember the day I heard about the assassination of Kennedy, on my way to work in New York City. I was a bartender in my 20s, and I saw all of these Ukrainian and Polish people with their bright babushkas and fedoras. They were all clustered around a flagpole that was at half-mast. I walked up to them and asked, “What’s going on?” They said, “The president was shot. This is a coup d’etat.” They’d seen that happen in Europe in various ways. But it never occurred to the gullible American people that it would be so easy to have a coup d’etat. Ever since then, things have not gone right. We’ve lost our civil rights. This is a tyranny, a coup d’etat – a serious situation.
LO: Now there are [new] laws enacted to clamp down on whistleblowers.
WB: Yes, but of course people will continue… Any totalitarian society collapses, and ours is destined to collapse. We just cannot become a snitch culture. The American Dream was not founded on those principles, and it won’t succeed when we take away freedom. The greatest thing about America was its freedom, where a person had a right to freedom of thought. [Freedom of thought] wasn’t mentioned in the Constitution (freedom of speech was), but freedom of thought presupposes freedom of speech. Now they have a way of intruding on your very thought process: [the] mental health system. Ewen Cameron worked for the CIA. He was the president of the American Psychiatric Association, the Canadian Psychiatric Association, the head psychiatrist for the Nuremberg Trials [and] one of the biggest tyrants [ever. The] CIA paid $750,000 to each of the families of survivors [of Cameron’s heinous experiments].
LO: Yes… Horrendous stuff, a whole new level of depravity… What we’re talking about is people who have gone into hospitals with maybe a nervous twitch in their leg, a muscle spasm or something psychosomatic. [The doctors said] “We can’t find any physical problems so it must be something in your head.” Then [the victims were] drugged and put into psychic driving where they were unconscious for 30 days in a row [under] brainwashing techniques. This was MK-ULTRA, ARTICHOKE, and BLUEBIRD.
WB: And MK-DELTA… It goes on and on. Most researchers end up calling it “MK-ULTRA.” It was ultra-secret. It’s real interesting. Cognitive dissonance sets in when we go here among the 16,000 files that we got from the CIA back in the ’70s. There were two [files] on UFOs. When you read some of the documents that have been released since then, and put the whole thing together [you see a linked progression]. I discussed this with Prouty, who was hired as an expert witness to look at the original [MJ-12] documents. He said he didn’t see one that was a forgery. So you’ve got MJ-12 [then] MK ULTRA. Is that numbering process a coincidence? We have to get to the bottom of that secrecy [and] let it all come out. It will all eventually come out but it’s going to take a lot of citizens, devoting a lot of time badgering everybody, to get it out.
LO: [It is crucial] to make people aware of it. People are aware of Madison Avenue and advertising campaigns to shape opinion, but I think they’re really underestimating the strides that had been made not [just] to change your opinion but [to create assassins]. They’re making a new Manchurian Candidate film. It’s just staggering to think [about all] that was going on. Like you said, it was one of the best-kept secrets.
WB: Yes, it was amazing how well-kept it was, but about the UFO thing… I’ve been doing mind control [research] for 25 years. When I encountered these two files about the UFO phenomenon in the CIA mind control files, I just said, “Oh boy, I’m not going to go here because it’s hard enough [for people] to believe the mind control thing without bringing UFOs into it.” So I just ignored it. But now I’m beginning to [wonder]. Prouty had seen a lot of these things. He was very interested in UFOs. He said he had to debrief a lot of pilots who had seen UFOs over the years. I have an 8-hour unpublished videotape of his where he describes all of the UFO connections to intelligence… I’m getting rather bored with doing run-of-the-mill mind control [research] because it’s just repeating what I’ve known over and over again. The new stuff that I’m excited about [is] the UFO [stuff]. People actually start fistfights [over this] because the UFO community doesn’t want to hear about the mind control thing, and the mind control aficionados don’t want to hear about the UFO thing. These are [supposedly] mutually exclusive things. We’ve heard thousands of individuals telling stories about being abducted and not remembering it, using hypnosis to recover their memories later. [The high numbers of] people recovering from ritual abuse by many of these same MK-ULTRA doctors [created the need for] the False Memory Syndrome Foundation. [They have] put a lid on the whole thing and caused lawsuits. In California now, if you’ve ever been hypnotized, you cannot testify in a trial. You’re disqualified… The MK-ULTRA people knew that memories could be manipulated; amnesia is easy to induce. Martin T. Orne did a lot of research on amnesia. He recently passed away. Jolly West was in there. He recently passed away, too. That whole generation of villainous “mental health” [professionals is dying off].
LO: Today, the Internet gets a bad rap. [But] we are the Internet – a true form of democracy… We often don’t like everything we see there, but that is “the people” speaking.
WB: That’s right, and basically, it’s the last chance we’ve got. That may be why we’re seeing this reaction [from the cryptocracy] – trying to shut it down. We’ve got Homeland Security and all of these new Draconian laws. The Constitution is in shambles. The Bush administration is a tyranny. It’s more than mind control… The American public are [generally] “sheeple.” But it only takes 5% of the population to change [things].
LO: Well, I was a bit encouraged by what you mentioned about the number of people who reacted with suspicion after 9/11. In Canada, we usually get the impression that in certain educational environments Americans tend to be more aware, but the large cross-section of the U.S. is, I’m sorry to say, grossly ignorant. I don’t mean that insultingly, I just mean [that they are] seriously uneducated.
WB: I couldn’t believe [this when it happened, but] I bought a hamburger in Tucson, AZ and the lady didn’t know how to add! She couldn’t figure out what the change was, because I ordered something that wasn’t on her buttons that she had. I didn’t really fully understand what was going on. I told her how much change it was, and she trusted me and gave me the right amount of change. I looked back at the cash register and it didn’t have regular keys. It had large buttons with pictures of the [items] like you might see a 3 or 4 year old child working with. It would add up the amount and tell her – it [actually] spoke – how much [the total was]. So they are hiring people who are totally illiterate and, of course, designing a system that will function with these people. Marshall McLuhan talked about post-literacy… McLuhan got most of his ideas, apparently, from James Joyce’s magnificent Finnegan’s Wake. It’s the ultimate in books… Recently, I’ve been working on a project to try to describe to people what the subconscious is and how it works with [waking] consciousness. It’s part of hypnotherapy, and it goes back to the Kahunas and the Berbers. It describes the technology for healing without touch. Maxwell Freedom Long wrote about it. It’s very important stuff [that] fits in with the information age… As we become more transparent, less like machines, we become more spiritual. We have our god-given gifts – what people call ESP. When we all become telepathic, it will be pointless to have a National Security Act or a Homeland Security Act.
LO: The [elites] are probably going to fight to keep that from happening.
WB: It’s almost like they’re trying to take us back to the 19th century. We’re trying to go back to the Fall [of Man. However] the technology’s already been invented; you can’t take it back. The cat’s out of the bag. Get on with the information age… The information economy is infinite, and money is obsolete. We’re into a whole new paradigm; quantum physics proves it. Go to IBM.com and look up their teleportation experiments. Look up their time travel [experiments]. They’ve proven it with photons. From a photon [you go] to an atom, to a molecule, and then, pretty soon, the whole family can go to another dimension on a Sunday afternoon.
LO: That would be a truly open environment. I can hardly wait.
WB: Well, that’s what I’m looking forward to, and that’s why I feel confident and optimistic. We’re seeing here the tyranny of the Bush administration and that whole gang of oil company executives and corrupt bankers, using the sweat equity of a nation – money that’s not backed by anything but the promissory note of the worker. The insurance society has got to go. It’s just Las Vegas gambling with a built-in 25% profit. But today you can’t run a business without insurance. You can’t get a loan without insurance. Instead of building a safety net of some kind for the elderly and indigent and sick and homeless, we’ve just tried to tell them insurance. It doesn’t work; it’s going to collapse – the collapse of the New Roman Empire. The Roman Empire was based upon roads [and water management. Unfortunately] we still are working with the road metaphor, the plumbing diagram, when in fact the laser ought to be our metaphor.
LO: Is there anything else that you wanted to bring up about your book?
WB: Just the cognitive dissonance that’s in our society. Eighty percent of the people in the U.S. apparently believe in UFOs. Talk about mind control… The aliens, the little greys (or whoever they are) described by abductees have the ability to erase your memories and control your mind. People [try to] say, “You can’t do that to me! I’ve got willpower. I can’t be made to do something against my will and without my knowledge. I can’t be hypnotized!” [Unfortunately] everybody can be hypnotized one way or another.
LO: You’ve [certainly] documented that, from the 1950s on.
WB: Yes, and now I know even more about it. As we become transparent [in the McLuhan sense] the subconscious becomes the ground upon which whatever figures are painted. The subconscious has always been way ahead of us. It’s in our dreams. Those of us who’ve had our dream state and waking [state both turned] on at the same time can describe in great detail what that’s like. It’s very disconcerting but it’s also a wonderful, terrible experience that is going to be our future. I toured the New Jersey Neuropsychiatric Institute in Princeton in the 1960s, interviewing Canadian Humphrey Osmond, who coined the term “psychedelic.” [He was a] wonderful, charming, energetic man [who] was helping schizophrenics using niacinamide and vitamin C. He told me, “We’re all going to be hearing voices, seeing visions, and experiencing ultradimensional and intradimensional phenomena, because schizophrenia is our next evolutionary step.” We’re going to have to come to terms with having our senses on full-blown, before we can explain who we are and what God-given rights we have.
LO: Yes, the subconscious is powerful and is being harnessed by [both] the military [and] private sectors. We’re talking about an evolution that is more multidimensional. I understand what you’re talking about myself. I’ve had lots of experiences and dreams along those lines. For example, I don’t know how many people have had parallel dreams – multiple experiences at the same time – but it gives a very good idea of schizophrenia. The mind is not very well understood at this point…
WB: It really is not. Look at the DSM-IV [Psychiatric Diagnostic Manual. It] is strongly influenced by the insurance companies and people having no experience in the richness of the human mind and spirit. That’s one of the things that the MK-Ultra victims taught me. Over and over I heard the phrase, “They didn’t mess with my mind; they messed with my soul.” I’ve begun to think in spiritual terms of what has gone on here. This is a horrible thing. [It is] just like the Inquisition, but more sophisticated and less visible. There’s no blood on the streets, but that makes it even more insidious. And of course the technology is now available to everyone. There’s a guy in New Mexico who is selling psychotronic weapons. He says, “I can boil my mother-in-law’s brain from 100 yards with this little handheld device that I can keep in a brown paper bag. If I just put it on low power, it scrambles her thoughts and her memory. If I turn it up full blast, it will [melt] her brain in the brain pan.” So I said, “Look, I’ll get a [test animal] or something. I want to film it.” He chickened out, because he thought animal protection would get him. His company is named Consumertronics. I heard that the governor of New Mexico personally made it his cause to put this guy out of business, because he was selling machines that cost $5000, which nobody was sure worked. But mind control has become a way for people with a variety of mental disorders or problems to escape responsibility. They [simply] say, “The voices I hear are from the government – they are doing this to me.” At a conference of psychiatrists, psychologists, and survivors of mind control, I learned that the ET phenomenon was very common – and [yet] suppressed – at the suggestion of the therapists. [Victims come to understand that the therapist will] never believe you about satanic ritual abuse if you [also] tell them about this alien stuff. The next wave of research is going to be looking at both the mind control effects and the so-called “alien abduction” effects. A friend of mine has made a chart comparing reports of ritual abuse, alien abduction, and government mind control. [All] are describing the bright lights, doctors in white coats, and medical tables. The descriptions are universal across the board. It [all] sounds like the same phenomenon. And the differences [too] are worth discussing, not [just] the similarities. It is the tip of a [mind control] research iceberg.
In 2002, I visited Andee Boothe, noted Seattle acupuncturist, energy healer, and herbalist, because I was thinking of trying to recover some memories of my 1967 experiences with Tommy Burnham (where he woke up screaming that the “aliens” and Mothman had visited us). Andee gets a lot of referrals from doctors whose patients need help with UFO abductions and issues of spirit. Andee told me that she felt I was on some sort of cosmic mission that would someday bear fruit by bringing out important information regarding the phenomenon. On February 10, 2005, I sat down with her to discuss the type of work she does. This is an excerpt from that interview. The full interview appears in my third book, The Mothman’s Photographer III.
Andy Colvin (AC): Have you run across any other people who, like Tommy, claim that aliens were steering them towards working for an agency like NASA?
Andee Booth (AB): Well, I know that a lot of NASA people worked around [WV] and that there were a bunch of weird events. For whatever reason, these “aliens” were very interested in the space program… [In general] if you don’t know what you’re looking for and you don’t have the “sight” for it, you won’t see things. They say that one of the reasons the Mayans were [successfully] attacked by the Spaniards was because the Mayans couldn’t see the ships. They’d never seen ships before. They just weren’t in their [paradigm]. When you held hands with your friend and moved into this vortex, this particular area [in his yard, you both] were actually able to see stuff. Tommy was told, “If you stand here, you’ll be able to see things.” I had another client who was able to see UFOs. She lived out near Mountain Home, Idaho, where there have been a lot of sightings. She said they just came up, like War of the Worlds, and then moved [on]. She had an interesting description of the [situation]. She claimed that that farm was in a vortex. She could see the UFOs simply by being there. She said later [the experiences] had “moved her mind” somehow. [From then on] she could see them, when nobody else could.
AC: Just last week I spoke with a woman who remembers being born. Right before she was born, she feels as if a vortex of some kind came up from the ground below. It had to do with aliens. Somehow there was an energy force that came out of the ground and into the delivery room. She feels like she was genetically altered somehow by this. She’s got physical anomalies within her body, like double organs and such.
AB: What’s interesting is that it really makes sense as far as physics [goes. If] you get near a certain energy field or vortex, it is possibly going to rearrange your RNA and DNA. Living next to a nuclear reactor might rearrange your RNA and DNA. There are lots of things that can do that. It’d be interesting to see what her children are like physically, emotionally, mentally – if they [have] abilities for “seeing.” Being next to some energy force certainly can alter us and open our consciousness. I know a couple of people who have really open consciousnesses, who are able to see [things] when nobody else can. One saw this “floating building” in Chicago with lights. He told his mom about it; nobody else could see it. Another gal was around the library at the University of Montana. Everybody else was gone on Thanksgiving break [when she saw] one of these same “buildings.” I know of two instances that really surprised me, where [witnesses had been hypnotized prior to seeing things].
AC: Who were these hypnotized witnesses?
AB: One was a friend and one was a client. They were put under hypnosis by people in some branch of the service, and then given really weird instructions. They were probably being experimented with in some way. I think the end instruction was to “suicide out.” Some branch of the service drugged these people and did this stuff to them. I know it [really] happened because these two people’s stories from [opposite ends of] the country were exactly the same. There was some really evil, dark stuff going on that was very dangerous. From [exactly] where in the government [it came] I did not know, but I knew it was bad and destructive. [Luckily] these two people made it out and got some cognition. They happened in totally separate [locales] but the experiences were very similar, and the guys were affected very similarly. Their lives were a mess. One had ferocious addictions. [Somehow] they were able to pull out and get their lives together.
AC: I went back and bought some 1960s and ‘70s UFO magazines. If you look at the tenor of the stories back then, there was an obvious concern about mind control. You could go to a magazine stand back then and find several articles about nefarious, covert brainwashing operations. Unfortunately, attempts have been made to discredit that genre. Efforts were, and are, made to make it seem like it was all just sloppy research.
AB: The other thing is that remote viewing was a [product] of the CIA. [It was] a covert operation that pretty much ruined the lives of the people [involved]. It tripped them out through space and time. They didn’t have the spiritual understanding to do it [properly]. They were recruited because they had talent and some innate abilities. They had to be able to see things other people couldn’t see. What happened is that these guys got hooked on remote viewing, like a drug. That’s what ate away their families and everything else. You could leave time and space and the present, and go float through eternity and see and experience everything. That kind of power [was intoxicating]. It was like tripping out on a drug, and that’s the part that got them.
AC: Harriet and I were driving around in WV. When we got close to this secret installation, Sugar Grove, where her father worked during the Mothman days, she was recognizing landmarks even though she had never been there before. She recognized a rock formation and some other things. I speculated that maybe she had remote-viewed the area before but had forgotten it, sort of like a Manchurian Remote-Viewer. Maybe she had to be there physically in order to remember that she had already viewed it.
AB: Well, I’ll tell you what… I read a story about a guy who had pneumonia and [temporarily] died. He was in the service. He was not a “believer” or anything. He saw himself lift out of his body. The nurses forgot about him while he died, and he went up. This presence came to him, and he thought it was Jesus. It could have been anything, but it came and took him on a remote viewing [journey]. He really didn’t remember a lot of the things because it’s such a supernatural, nonlinear state. [But] later he recognized places when he was traveling across the country. He recognized places that this being had taken him. He hadn’t thought about them until then. I’ll bet that’s not so unusual.
Harriet experienced such a state when she clinically died while giving birth – twice.
AB: There’s this giant thing in you [Andy] that you’re connecting to and staying with. It’s going to get you back to history, the facts, and the truth. Some people may [ask] “what the heck is this about?” [But] there is something about it. You are on a mission, and I think something good will come out of it.
AC: Let’s talk a bit about the Flight of the Garuda book. An interesting dichotomy seems to be playing out in both East and West. In the East, the Dalai Lama is against honoring the Garuda and the beings that ride the Garuda, Dorje Shugden and Je Tsongkhapa. But the indigenous Tibetans feel Garuda is an earth deity that protects them. So we have a division in Tibet. In the U.S., we have a division between the Christians, who feel the Garuda is evil, and those who are open to other possibilities. What do you think, Andee?
AB: I have studied a lot about the Garuda and Dorje Shugden. The Dalai Lama doesn’t want Dorje to be used in matters of divination anymore. [However] other sects of Buddhism are saying, “We don’t want to mess with the original teachings.” They are holding onto their tradition, much like the Pope and the Vatican hold onto tradition. [They] are afraid to change it. The Dalai Lama brought in changes that came from his own intuition. It doesn’t mean that Dorje Shugden is “evil.” It just means that [the Dalai Lama] chose not to use that being anymore. Here, the Christians think anything not from the Bible is evil. They are spoon-fed [their understanding] and are afraid of everything. [Christianity] is basically a religion of fear. They’re afraid of sex. They’re afraid of anything that’s not like them. They’re afraid of Islam. They’re afraid of Buddhism. They have lots of fears [yet] traditional Christianity sees itself as the imperial holder of spiritual truth. It’s ridiculous. [They think that] anybody who’s willing to grow out of it [should] suffer. They feel threatened by [free thinkers, and] they’ll punish them for leaving the fold – which isn’t very Christian-like at all.
AC: Have you yourself seen anything paranormal?
AB: I’ve seen two ghosts peeling off of people. They looked like black and white photographs that you could see through. One gal was lying on my table and I was doing some muscle testing [on her]. I’ve taken a great deal of kinesiology classes, Bodytalk classes, allergy clearing classes, etc. I’ve taken all kinds of classes to be able to get in touch with the deepest part of the body-mind. I sensed that there was some sort of energy present in her that didn’t belong. I commanded it to leave and out walks this guy, kind of like this black and white photograph. He’s got long hair, a business suit and briefcase. He peeled right off of her and walked out the window. I said, “You know, the dangedest thing just happened…” And she said, “I felt something leave me.” I said, “It’s a guy in a business suit.” She goes, “Oh my god.” She’d always felt that her dad was invasive of her energy. She said, “My dad wore a business suit until the day he died. Even in retirement, he wore a business suit every day.” Then I had another gal whose ancestor peeled off of her and left. It just blew [my] mind because I didn’t believe in that sort of thing [until then. But] out the [ghosts] came. So I’ve had a lot of experience in these types of things, which people don’t think are real. I’ve also had many clients seeing ETs, angels, or spirits. [They] have somebody come and talk to them. I’ve [treated at least] three people [who had] something that they couldn’t see put “hands” on their shoulders and talk to them.
AC: Dr. John Veltheim talks about relationships being the key to healing. Once you’re inside a particular belief system or physical body, you’re suddenly studying relationships.
AB: Western thinking is [generally based on the] “cause equals effect” dynamic of Aristotle – line A to B… Asian thinking is “systems thinking.” That’s how they discovered acupuncture. Soldiers would get stuck with an arrow in this part of their leg, and their opposite shoulder would get better. They started to see everything in systems. If we [affect] something here, something else over there will be affected. They also have ancient tradition and history based on how things affect people, not on chemically testing animals in the laboratory. [China] was a very Taoist society. They figured out all of the internal organs and the immune system without ever doing an autopsy. They believed the body was sacred; they never opened the body up. They figured out all the meridians, which are just messaging centers throughout the fascia. They have a much bigger view of things. They’re not as anal as Western medicine. They’re very effective because they see the big picture and how to utilize everything. I’ve been using some acupuncture treatments from the 1800s that work unbelievably well. A Korean monk came up with them. Dr. Yasui came up with Reiki, which was really just passing energy out of a divination experience. All of their stuff accesses the unconscious and the broader mind [rather] than narrow [linear thinking]. Western medicine has gotten too specialized. Even if you are, say, observing mouse ovaries do this or that when something else is stimulated, we also ought to look at what’s happening to the brain at the same time. I get people in here [all the time] who have something [wrong] yet every Western diagnostic test has come up normal. We find heavy metals, or viruses, or whatever and it changes the picture totally. Western medicine doesn’t know what to do if something (like fibromyalgia or chronic fatigue syndrome) doesn’t fit a [predetermined] paradigm. They just don’t have paradigms for certain things, because they can’t see the whole system. Western medicine is the best for emergency care [around] but that’s about [all].