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The following interview took place in 2005 between Len Osanic of Black Op Radio and the late Walter Bowart, author of the groundbreaking 1978 book Operation Mind Control. It has been edited down for placement here on the blog. The full interview was transcribed for inclusion in The Mothman’s Photographer III: Meetings With Remarkable West Coast Witnesses Touched by Anomalous Activities of Interdimensional Entities, Archetypal Avatars, and the Eerie Yet Enlightening Phenomenon Known Infamously as “Mothman.” In this interview – one of Bowart’s last – Bowart alludes to the UFO phenomenon as being part of government mind control (i.e., MJ-12 as a precursor to MK-Ultra).

Len Osanic of Black Op Radio (LO): We are very pleased to have with us Mr. Walter Bowart, who is the author of a very historic book, Operation Mind Control. Tell us about Operation Mind Control.

Walter Bowart (WB): I started digging around. The German Gehlen organization became part of the CIA. I interviewed a lot of people from behind the Iron Curtain – a different breed of people. Fletcher Prouty became a friend of mine. Fletcher was one of those Yale boys. He flew Presidents Truman and Roosevelt around. After the war, the CIA was formed with new secrecy agreements asking generals and high-ranking military officers to sign this weird oath [sending them] to prison if they talked about any of these secrets. Prouty and his commanding officers said in no uncertain terms, “Get these Yalies, these little college boys out of here. We fought a war and won. We swore to uphold the Constitution and our oath is good. We don’t need a contract to sign.” Of course the contract was founded upon the National Security Act, which we’re still operating under. We have martial law in this country, and we have had it since WW II. It’s never been revoked.

LO: Colonel Prouty was one of the few people who wasn’t silenced by an oath. That’s an interesting point.

WB: He was an amazing man. He had a great heart, a great soul, and was an honest, forthright man. I dedicated Operation Mind Control to him and others like him [who] tell the truth. There’s not enough of that [nowadays]. Now we’re in worse shape, with Homeland Security and this [War on] “Terror.” It was hard enough to find the “communists” under the bed. How are we going to find the “terrorists” under the bed?

LO: [Especially] when it circles back to who’s financing them…

WB: Yes, the whole banking thing… Of course [the key to the program itself stays] on the run. As Canadian Marshall McLuhan [said] “When information travels at the speed of light, there can be no secrecy, no propriety – everything becomes transparent.” And that’s what is happening. That’s why we’re so aware of the cryptocracy. When the World Trade Center was bombed [and] hit by the airplanes on 9/11, I called my son who was in a very expensive private school. I asked, “What are you doing?” and he said, “Well, we have Study Hall, so we can watch the [attack] on television.” I asked, “Well, what’s the consensus opinion of the kids there in the Study Hall.”  He says, “Almost every one of them believes that elements of the United States blew up their own building to whip the gullible public into believing we were under attack.” That was a first impression. So there’s very little credibility in our government anymore. You can track that from the assassination of Kennedy. [That] is when it all turned. I remember the day I heard about the assassination of Kennedy, on my way to work in New York City. I was a bartender in my 20s, and I saw all of these Ukrainian and Polish people with their bright babushkas and fedoras. They were all clustered around a flagpole that was at half-mast. I walked up to them and asked, “What’s going on?” They said, “The president was shot. This is a coup d’etat.” They’d seen that happen in Europe in various ways. But it never occurred to the gullible American people that it would be so easy to have a coup d’etat. Ever since then, things have not gone right. We’ve lost our civil rights. This is a tyranny, a coup d’etat – a serious situation.

LO: Now there are [new] laws enacted to clamp down on whistleblowers.

WB: Yes, but of course people will continue… Any totalitarian society collapses, and ours is destined to collapse. We just cannot become a snitch culture. The American Dream was not founded on those principles, and it won’t succeed when we take away freedom. The greatest thing about America was its freedom, where a person had a right to freedom of thought. [Freedom of thought] wasn’t mentioned in the Constitution (freedom of speech was), but freedom of thought presupposes freedom of speech. Now they have a way of intruding on your very thought process: [the] mental health system. Ewen Cameron worked for the CIA. He was the president of the American Psychiatric Association, the Canadian Psychiatric Association, the head psychiatrist for the Nuremberg Trials [and] one of the biggest tyrants [ever. The] CIA paid $750,000 to each of the families of survivors [of Cameron’s heinous experiments].

LO: Yes… Horrendous stuff, a whole new level of depravity… What we’re talking about is people who have gone into hospitals with maybe a nervous twitch in their leg, a muscle spasm or something psychosomatic. [The doctors said] “We can’t find any physical problems so it must be something in your head.” Then [the victims were] drugged and put into psychic driving where they were unconscious for 30 days in a row [under] brainwashing techniques. This was MK-ULTRA, ARTICHOKE, and BLUEBIRD.

WB: And MK-DELTA… It goes on and on. Most researchers end up calling it “MK-ULTRA.” It was ultra-secret. It’s real interesting. Cognitive dissonance sets in when we go here among the 16,000 files that we got from the CIA back in the ’70s. There were two [files] on UFOs. When you read some of the documents that have been released since then, and put the whole thing together [you see a linked progression]. I discussed this with Prouty, who was hired as an expert witness to look at the original [MJ-12] documents. He said he didn’t see one that was a forgery. So you’ve got MJ-12 [then] MK ULTRA. Is that numbering process a coincidence? We have to get to the bottom of that secrecy [and] let it all come out. It will all eventually come out but it’s going to take a lot of citizens, devoting a lot of time badgering everybody, to get it out.

LO: [It is crucial] to make people aware of it. People are aware of Madison Avenue and advertising campaigns to shape opinion, but I think they’re really underestimating the strides that had been made not [just] to change your opinion but [to create assassins]. They’re making a new Manchurian Candidate film. It’s just staggering to think [about all] that was going on. Like you said, it was one of the best-kept secrets.

WB: Yes, it was amazing how well-kept it was, but about the UFO thing… I’ve been doing mind control [research] for 25 years. When I encountered these two files about the UFO phenomenon in the CIA mind control files, I just said, “Oh boy, I’m not going to go here because it’s hard enough [for people] to believe the mind control thing without bringing UFOs into it.” So I just ignored it. But now I’m beginning to [wonder]. Prouty had seen a lot of these things. He was very interested in UFOs. He said he had to debrief a lot of pilots who had seen UFOs over the years. I have an 8-hour unpublished videotape of his where he describes all of the UFO connections to intelligence… I’m getting rather bored with doing run-of-the-mill mind control [research] because it’s just repeating what I’ve known over and over again. The new stuff that I’m excited about [is] the UFO [stuff]. People actually start fistfights [over this] because the UFO community doesn’t want to hear about the mind control thing, and the mind control aficionados don’t want to hear about the UFO thing. These are [supposedly] mutually exclusive things. We’ve heard thousands of individuals telling stories about being abducted and not remembering it, using hypnosis to recover their memories later. [The high numbers of] people recovering from ritual abuse by many of these same MK-ULTRA doctors [created the need for] the False Memory Syndrome Foundation. [They have] put a lid on the whole thing and caused lawsuits. In California now, if you’ve ever been hypnotized, you cannot testify in a trial. You’re disqualified… The MK-ULTRA people knew that memories could be manipulated; amnesia is easy to induce. Martin T. Orne did a lot of research on amnesia. He recently passed away. Jolly West was in there. He recently passed away, too. That whole generation of villainous “mental health” [professionals is dying off].

LO: Today, the Internet gets a bad rap. [But] we are the Internet – a true form of democracy… We often don’t like everything we see there, but that is “the people” speaking.

WB: That’s right, and basically, it’s the last chance we’ve got. That may be why we’re seeing this reaction [from the cryptocracy] – trying to shut it down. We’ve got Homeland Security and all of these new Draconian laws. The Constitution is in shambles. The Bush administration is a tyranny. It’s more than mind control… The American public are [generally] “sheeple.” But it only takes 5% of the population to change [things].

LO: Well, I was a bit encouraged by what you mentioned about the number of people who reacted with suspicion after 9/11. In Canada, we usually get the impression that in certain educational environments Americans tend to be more aware, but the large cross-section of the U.S. is, I’m sorry to say, grossly ignorant. I don’t mean that insultingly, I just mean [that they are] seriously uneducated.

WB: I couldn’t believe [this when it happened, but] I bought a hamburger in Tucson, AZ and the lady didn’t know how to add! She couldn’t figure out what the change was, because I ordered something that wasn’t on her buttons that she had. I didn’t really fully understand what was going on. I told her how much change it was, and she trusted me and gave me the right amount of change. I looked back at the cash register and it didn’t have regular keys. It had large buttons with pictures of the [items] like you might see a 3 or 4 year old child working with. It would add up the amount and tell her – it  [actually] spoke – how much [the total was]. So they are hiring people who are totally illiterate and, of course, designing a system that will function with these people. Marshall McLuhan talked about post-literacy… McLuhan got most of his ideas, apparently, from James Joyce’s magnificent Finnegan’s Wake. It’s the ultimate in books… Recently, I’ve been working on a project to try to describe to people what the subconscious is and how it works with [waking] consciousness. It’s part of hypnotherapy, and it goes back to the Kahunas and the Berbers. It describes the technology for healing without touch. Maxwell Freedom Long wrote about it. It’s very important stuff [that] fits in with the information age… As we become more transparent, less like machines, we become more spiritual. We have our god-given gifts – what people call ESP. When we all become telepathic, it will be pointless to have a National Security Act or a Homeland Security Act.

LO: The [elites] are probably going to fight to keep that from happening.

WB: It’s almost like they’re trying to take us back to the 19th century. We’re trying to go back to the Fall [of Man. However] the technology’s already been invented; you can’t take it back. The cat’s out of the bag. Get on with the information age… The information economy is infinite, and money is obsolete. We’re into a whole new paradigm; quantum physics proves it. Go to IBM.com and look up their teleportation experiments. Look up their time travel [experiments]. They’ve proven it with photons. From a photon [you go] to an atom, to a molecule, and then, pretty soon, the whole family can go to another dimension on a Sunday afternoon.

LO: That would be a truly open environment. I can hardly wait.

WB: Well, that’s what I’m looking forward to, and that’s why I feel confident and optimistic. We’re seeing here the tyranny of the Bush administration and that whole gang of oil company executives and corrupt bankers, using the sweat equity of a nation – money that’s not backed by anything but the promissory note of the worker. The insurance society has got to go. It’s just Las Vegas gambling with a built-in 25% profit. But today you can’t run a business without insurance. You can’t get a loan without insurance. Instead of building a safety net of some kind for the elderly and indigent and sick and homeless, we’ve just tried to tell them insurance. It doesn’t work; it’s going to collapse – the collapse of the New Roman Empire. The Roman Empire was based upon roads [and water management. Unfortunately] we still are working with the road metaphor, the plumbing diagram, when in fact the laser ought to be our metaphor.

LO: Is there anything else that you wanted to bring up about your book?

WB: Just the cognitive dissonance that’s in our society. Eighty percent of the people in the U.S. apparently believe in UFOs. Talk about mind control… The aliens, the little greys (or whoever they are) described by abductees have the ability to erase your memories and control your mind. People [try to] say, “You can’t do that to me! I’ve got willpower. I can’t be made to do something against my will and without my knowledge. I can’t be hypnotized!” [Unfortunately] everybody can be hypnotized one way or another.

LO: You’ve [certainly] documented that, from the 1950s on.

WB: Yes, and now I know even more about it. As we become transparent [in the McLuhan sense] the subconscious becomes the ground upon which whatever figures are painted. The subconscious has always been way ahead of us. It’s in our dreams. Those of us who’ve had our dream state and waking [state both turned] on at the same time can describe in great detail what that’s like. It’s very disconcerting but it’s also a wonderful, terrible experience that is going to be our future. I toured the New Jersey Neuropsychiatric Institute in Princeton in the 1960s, interviewing Canadian Humphrey Osmond, who coined the term “psychedelic.” [He was a] wonderful, charming, energetic man [who] was helping schizophrenics using niacinamide and vitamin C. He told me, “We’re all going to be hearing voices, seeing visions, and experiencing ultradimensional and intradimensional phenomena, because schizophrenia is our next evolutionary step.” We’re going to have to come to terms with having our senses on full-blown, before we can explain who we are and what God-given rights we have.

LO: Yes, the subconscious is powerful and is being harnessed by [both] the military [and] private sectors. We’re talking about an evolution that is more multidimensional. I understand what you’re talking about myself. I’ve had lots of experiences and dreams along those lines. For example, I don’t know how many people have had parallel dreams – multiple experiences at the same time – but it gives a very good idea of schizophrenia. The mind is not very well understood at this point…

WB: It really is not. Look at the DSM-IV [Psychiatric Diagnostic Manual. It] is strongly influenced by the insurance companies and people having no experience in the richness of the human mind and spirit. That’s one of the things that the MK-Ultra victims taught me. Over and over I heard the phrase, “They didn’t mess with my mind; they messed with my soul.” I’ve begun to think in spiritual terms of what has gone on here. This is a horrible thing. [It is] just like the Inquisition, but more sophisticated and less visible. There’s no blood on the streets, but that makes it even more insidious. And of course the technology is now available to everyone. There’s a guy in New Mexico who is selling psychotronic weapons. He says, “I can boil my mother-in-law’s brain from 100 yards with this little handheld device that I can keep in a brown paper bag. If I just put it on low power, it scrambles her thoughts and her memory. If I turn it up full blast, it will [melt] her brain in the brain pan.” So I said, “Look, I’ll get a [test animal] or something. I want to film it.” He chickened out, because he thought animal protection would get him. His company is named Consumertronics. I heard that the governor of New Mexico personally made it his cause to put this guy out of business, because he was selling machines that cost $5000, which nobody was sure worked. But mind control has become a way for people with a variety of mental disorders or problems to escape responsibility. They [simply] say, “The voices I hear are from the government – they are doing this to me.” At a conference of psychiatrists, psychologists, and survivors of mind control, I learned that the ET phenomenon was very common – and [yet] suppressed – at the suggestion of the therapists. [Victims come to understand that the therapist will] never believe you about satanic ritual abuse if you [also] tell them about this alien stuff. The next wave of research is going to be looking at both the mind control effects and the so-called “alien abduction” effects. A friend of mine has made a chart comparing reports of ritual abuse, alien abduction, and government mind control. [All] are describing the bright lights, doctors in white coats, and medical tables. The descriptions are universal across the board. It [all] sounds like the same phenomenon. And the differences [too] are worth discussing, not [just] the similarities. It is the tip of a [mind control] research iceberg.