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It’s been a while since I posted, as I have been feverishly finishing up my fourth and fifth books. The fourth one, The Mothman Speaks, has been sent off and will be available soon. I did an interview about a month ago with Keith Hansen at Think or Be Eaten, where we update current Mothy events. It was the longest show ever on his program, I believe, but don’t let that scare you off:

http://beyondthegrassyknoll.com/audio/colvin5-31.mp3

I also will be making an appearance at the Forteanswest events in Los Angeles this weekend. Looking forward to that Manson reunion and, of course, meeting some of my old relatives, the mummies.

In lieu of squeezing what little conceptual matter I still have out of my brain, I am posting the introduction to The Mothman Speaks, which is actually an interview:

Introduction

The following interview took place in October of 2008 at the Lowe Hotel in Pt. Pleasant, West Virginia. RAI, the large European broadcasting corporation, was filming a special called “American Mysteries” for their big-budget paranormal show, Voyager, which has an audience of 5 million viewers. Interestingly, the producers decided to focus on an unusual mix of American mysteries: the 9/11 conspiracy, Mothman, Marconi, and Marilyn Monroe. Popular conspiracy writer Jim Marrs was the main guest, along with mainstream ufologist Linda Moulton Howe. Marrs and Howe were interviewed on the balcony of a skyscraper in Manhattan, seemingly in an effort to recall the feelings of 9/11. The first segment, which was about 9/11, seemed to focus on various conspiracy theories that the U.S. media usually ignores. One historical conspiracy mentioned was the Nazi plan to bomb lower Manhattan during WWII; this can be seen as a precursor of sorts to 9/11, thus raising the question of whether or not former Nazis had anything to do with the 2001 WTC attack. Marconi’s U.S. radio company was accused of being a spy operation just before it was seized and incorporated into RCA by the Rockefeller syndicate, which itself was secretly supporting the Nazis through financial conduits like Herbert Hoover and Ohio’s Prescott Bush…

In the Mothman segment, the focus eventually fell onto Mothman’s foretelling of 9/11, which was first communicated to a childhood friend of mine in 1967. This precognition allowed the Mothman segment to dovetail nicely with the 9/11 segment. Before and after station breaks, “teaser” montages seemed to connect 9/11 with Mothman. In fact, there seemed to be an implied thread connecting all four seemingly disparate stories… In my interview with RAI, I was asked to paint a broad picture of my Mothman experience, one that would be easily understood by those unfamiliar with the story. The resulting discussion therefore serves as a good introduction to this book… Interestingly, the day I first edited this section, Feb. 26th, 2009, I received a synchronistic email from Austin, TX ufologist S. Miles Lewis, which referenced Marilyn Monroe. I hadn’t received an email from Lewis in several years, so it got my attention. For some strange reason, he playfully chided me about the stage name I had used in the 1980s Austin music scene: “Merlin Monroe.” At that time, my band was performing take-offs on pagan “occult” music, so I was sometimes depicted in posters as a wizard or reincarnated pharaoh. This turned out to be prophetic because, years later, I discovered that my family, the Colvins, had married into the Montauk tribe, the purported descendants of the Egyptian pharaohs. Why Lewis chose to email me at that time about the Monroe persona remains unclear.

RAI: What is the strangest Mothman sighting you have heard about?

Andy Colvin (AC): Well, I can say that I have interviewed a few people who have seen Mothman in their homes and even in their bedrooms, floating above their beds. This is something happened to Mothman Prophecies author John Keel and to the nephew of Gray Barker. Barker was a UFO investigator from West Virginia who first coined the term “Men in Black.” He wrote the first book on Mothman, The Silver Bridge, which came out in 1970. Interestingly, most witnesses see Mothman in slightly different ways. Mothman will often look a little different to each person. In my case, it was a dark silhouette flying behind our car. Then, years later, I saw another silhouette seemingly coming out of a tree. I saw it on the property of a friend who had received a precognition of 9/11 from Mothman… Here in Point Pleasant, people were often chased in their car by Mothman. Some, like Marcella Bennett, had face-to-face encounters with the creature. Marcella described to me how she was pulled by some hypnotic force to be in the spot where she saw Mothman. Oddly, she said her brother was being hypnotized by a UFO at the same time. She seemed to think that the UFO was trying to keep him from meeting Mothman! It may sound hard to believe, but I have heard similar things from other witnesses about disagreements flaring up between UFOs and creature entities. As time went on, Marcella became more and more psychic, but not her brother…

RAI: So, the Mothman experience seems to open up people’s minds…

AC: Yes, they can better access their own unconscious, as well as the collective unconscious. They can see what is going to happen next. I have found this to be true in my own life. I will get glimmers of things that are about to occur… As I mentioned, when I was a child, my friend saw a vision of 9/11 that he attributed to Mothman. He said, “If you go stand in this spot in my yard, you will see it, too.” I was incredulous, of course. But, I did stand there and, sure enough, I did see brief images of exploding buildings in what Tommy said was “New York City in 2001 – the beginning of WWIII.” At that time, I also received some type of “download.” It happened very quickly. It was sort of like “seeing your life pass before you.” I almost got killed by a rockslide once, so I have experienced seeing my life pass before me. The two experiences, seeing the future and seeing the past, are very much alike… When I got this download, I picked up pieces of information about my life to come. Even now, this process is still in effect. For instance, I just turned 49 today. Believe it or not, I got a message back when I was a kid that something important in my personal life would happen when I turned 49. I’ve already discovered what that was. It actually happened today; being on your show facilitated a reunion with someone important in my life… A similar thing happened when I was 47 as well. As my life goes on, the messages from that original download continue to play out, although I have the ability to influence them in certain ways. They seem to be possibilities from which I can choose. Tommy was also told things about his future life, such as working at NASA and so forth, which later came true.

RAI: Do you think it’s a mental vision or projection? Where do they come from, these visions?

AC: I think it is the collective unconscious at work. We’re telepathically plugged into each other, and to nature. At some level, all of our consciousnesses are linked. Reality is alive. We are in separate bodies, but we’re also linked “nonlocally.”

RAI: Very interesting point: the concept of global consciousness…

AC: If you look at the core of each of the major religions, there is this prevailing idea that consciousness is what creates the universe, not the other way around. Most of us, in the modern, “scientific” world, think that the physical world creates consciousness, but the older beliefs say the opposite. This consciousness underlying reality is what links us from the get-go. You have global – actually, “universal” – consciousness manifesting through each person. Each person is born and reveals a seemingly “separate” piece of that whole consciousness. In certain situations, you can plug back into the group consciousness and receive messages from other parts of it.

RAI: What is your explanation of the Mothman phenomenon?

AC: I don’t know that there really is a tidy explanation for Mothman. It’s a process, and it extends into subconscious realms. Reality is physically made up of electromagnetic frequencies and waves, which John Keel called “the superspectrum.” Our brains process these waves as best they can. It is difficult because we sense only a sliver of the superspectrum. This disconnect, this inability to understand all of the signals, causes us to occasionally experience overloads and glitches. When this happens, our minds try to interpret the tangle of frequencies through a process of visualization. The visions that people see are an interesting blend of the “physical” and the “mental.” They are partly hallucinatory and partly real, a temporary manifestation of something that can be identified as both physical and nonphysical. Certain places on Earth seem to manifest a higher number of sightings. The dynamics of how it works are not well understood, but it appears that these beings can become “real” during the short timeframe that the event is happening. They can leave physical traces; they can dent your car or give you a sunburn. Scratches have appeared mysteriously on witnesses’ bodies upon waking up in the morning. Something “nonlocal” comes into our locality for a short time, and then it goes out. While it’s here, it may or may not create a linkage with one’s mind. In some folks, that linkage may become more solidified afterwards. A lot of the Mothman witnesses I’ve talked to feel that they’ve been linked to the creature ever since they saw it. They feel like he’s always around the corner, quietly watching, standing guard. They feel that Mothman is a protector, not a demon. If you look at the symbologies of similar birdmen like the Thunderbird, Garuda, and Piasa, they all have positive aspects. They give us a “heads up” when and if something bad is about to happen.

RAI: There is one explanation that says Mothman is just a “big bird.” Why is this an impossible explanation?

AC: It’s not impossible; it just doesn’t explain why people see Mothman as having humanoid characteristics. You have to realize that there are large religious and governmental organizations that don’t like the idea of “unauthorized” angels or protector deities. If everyone started viewing Mothman, or any other unsanctioned entity, as a beneficial angel, it might cause problems. It might undermine the established organs of Church and State. The major religions have a need to spin interpretations of the paranormal. If unauthorized angels really were visiting us, it would be logical and necessary for such bureaucracies to write them off as “big birds” or something else. The interesting thing is that in the ancient world, large, “normal” birds were often thought to have supernatural qualities as well. Even today, in places like New Guinea, the aboriginals believe that human souls go into the bodies of birds upon death. In Egyptian lore, cranes could be “activated”; they could become temporarily supernatural. Like genies, supernatural cranes are said to emanate from caves and fly around the countryside. I grew up here in WV. You rarely see very large birds flying around here, other than chicken hawks and vultures. But, if someone does see a large bird, it could, according to the Egyptians, still be a supernatural event… Similarly, Mothman has a shapeshifting quality. Even though the moniker “Mothman” is a media creation, it shares etymological roots with the winged Egyptian goddess, Mut (pronounced “Mott”). “Mut” links to the word “mother,” and to the symbologies of goddesses that came later, like Isis and Mary. “Muth” bears a relationship to the words “mouth” and “mound.” The mound is a gateway, or mouth, to other dimensions. Our English word “mutt” refers to a mixture, a state where hybrid forms like Mothman exist… The earliest known UFO sightings were in Egypt, in 1500 B.C., and they occurred at a temple dedicated to Mut; even “random” arisings in the Mothman world have symbolic meaning.

The very act of having a “moniker” (a “mon” word) denotes a second identity, which is something necessary for hybrids. These creatures seem to be able to appear as female or male, wrathful or protective, aerial or earthbound, depending on the witness’ state of mind.

AC: Horus and Seth were Egyptian birdmen who took on other forms; they were hybrids. Horus was an emanation of Osiris, just as Buddhism’s Dorje Shugden, who rode aboard the Garuda, was an emanation of the archetypal Tibetan deity, Je Tsongkhapa. Horus was associated with downriver Egypt, while “Seth,” whose name later developed into “Satan,” was associated with upriver “Sudan.” “Satan” thus became a word for the enemy, the “other.” In Charleston, the Mothman had more of a dog face, like Seth. Downriver in Pt. Pleasant, he had more of a bird face, like Horus. In Asia, the dog and bird versions of the Garuda are called “Barong” and “Bonaspati,” respectively. Basically, any river system with a lot of mounds is prone to these sightings. The Ohio and Kanawha valleys once had hundreds of mounds that were later torn down. Chemical plants were placed on top of those spots. There were a lot of mounds and Indian burial grounds here. Most people think that all mounds were built by the Indians, but most were not. The Natives claimed that they did not build them. The mounds may be naturally created energy nodes, sort of like pimples on the earth. They have energy running up into them. They store energy nicely because of their shape. They are very potent places for creatures to be seen. The word “monster” seems to be a combination of the words “mound” and “star.” If you see an anomalous light around a mound, you may likely see one of these temporary monsters. In Point Pleasant, we have these munitions storage mounds. These domes are very similar to Indian mounds in shape and size. In Native lore, you could build a specific type of domed tent to call in monsters and spirits. Shamans would enter them and see into the future. Sparks were said to have flown out of the tents as the shamans accessed the psychic world. I myself have twice encountered strange creatures immediately after building a tent. Mounds and domes were said to have attracted dragons in the Middle Ages, and the same appears to be true today… In WV, people have seen invisible entities with glowing red eyes. Until the body comes into view, you don’t know if it’s Mothman or Bigfoot. As it passes into our physical dimension, it goes through somewhat predictable color shifts. These “chimera” are an ancient pattern. The very name “chimera” refers to “khem,” the land of Egypt, as well as to “alchemy” and to “mer,” the Moorish people who traveled north to the British Isles and then to America.

RAI: In 1966 and 1967, there were a lot of sightings of UFOs in the sky. Many people say these were connected to Mothman. Do you think that they are manifestations of the same thing?

AC: In some cases, yes. In The Silver Bridge, Gray Barker mentions a witness here in Point Pleasant who actually saw Mothman change into a ball of light. He also reported on a 1922 sighting in Nebraska where a UFO turned into a birdman. In the Buddhist lore, it is said that high lamas can shapeshift into balls of light and into birdmen; they travel around that way. People have seen them go from ball of light into birdman, and from birdman into ball of light. There is a lama named Samudranath who claims to shapeshift into a birdman; this is how he ministers to his “flock.” There is a picture of him on the back of his book. One witness, whom I have known since childhood and trust, claims that Samudranath has visited her in dreams and visions. The picture of his face looks very much like a creature that my sister took a picture of in 1973. It was looking in our kitchen window. That was the same week I was chased by the dark silhouette that came out of a tree. The thing in the photo looks very much like a Garuda mask from New Zealand. It also looks very much like a Wakashan Thunderbird mask from the NW coast of America. “Wakashan” is very similar to “Wakinyan,” the Lakota name for the Thunderbird. From his refuge “within earth and stone,” the Natives’ birdman, the Thunderbird, is still thought to influence life today. You see similar names for these entities across the world, across languages.

RAI: What do you remember about the Silver Bridge collapse?

AC: The collapse was very tragic. It was extremely cold that night. I was at home with my parents when the news came across. It was very shocking. A lot of people still haven’t gotten over it. I suppose one “silver” lining is that the bridge collapse brought more attention to Mothman and to the mystical process that seems to be going on here. Mothman has helped revitalize the town to some degree, reversing the economic losses caused by the bridge collapse. The Mothman story is, frankly, one of the most important stories ever. You’ve got angels, UFOs, aliens, creature entities, prophecies, and top-secret conspiracies. Reality – our collective unconscious – seems to create situations to learn from. It creates an order to the universe at varying levels. No matter what sort of “evil,” conspiratorial things might be hatched, an opposing message of “truth” will get out, via the psychic feedback loop. In a way, it is a self-regulating mechanism that allows society to right wrongs, balance energies, and heal wounds through the application of justice. Mothman can be viewed as a crime-fighting superhero or as a cosmic, metaphysical process – or anywhere in between. Ancient birdman symbols depict the nervous systems of human beings as being connected. The Garuda is an archetype that allows one to stabilize spiritual advances in one’s life. These may be linked to jumps in creativity or intelligence. The Garuda keeps you from “backsliding” into ignorance and isolation. He keeps you linked with others.

RAI: Why did you start to paint the Mothman? I know you have some paintings…

AC: I don’t necessarily paint the Mothman. But after I saw the Mothman, I suddenly had the ability to draw and paint. I also bought a camera and started taking photos. For many years, I did mostly drawings and paintings, but then I shifted more into photography. I’ve found that my work over the years seems to unwittingly symbolize aspects of the Mothman story. For instance, in the early 1980s, I traveled around the U.S. to different national monuments, taking pictures of myself as a flying man who came out of the earth. Even then, I wasn’t consciously aware that it was connected to Mothman. Most of this process has occurred subconsciously… Before the 9/11 attacks occurred, I wasn’t paying close attention to it. But after that event, I suddenly realized that “Mothman” was capable of sending messages from the future. Nowadays, all of this makes sense to me. I can do my art and recognize the surrounding percolation of symbols. They support each other. It’s a vast topic… What I’ve said here today is just the tip of the iceberg.

RAI: Can we see some of your images?

AC [gestures]: This is a photo for an article I recently wrote in Paranoia magazine. In 1982, I went to New York for the Anti-Nuke Rally. It was the largest rally ever held in New York City. I helped carry this float that looks like a “big bird” or Mothman. We carried it past Rockefeller Center and into Central Park. I often get caught up in things that involve bird symbology. [shows book] This is my second book, The Mothman Photographer II, which talks a lot about synchronicities. One such synchronicity is that the Kanawha River, which the Mothman flew along between Pt. Pleasant and Mound, is called the “River of Death” by Native Americans. And Natives just happen to associate death with the Thunderbird. In fact, they place Thunderbird totems in their graveyards. [points to photos] This is the Space Needle in Seattle. It was once an Indian burial ground. It’s quite haunted, in fact… The Christ symbol, the cross on a mound, is very similar to the Garuda symbologies in India. The Garuda is an emanation of energy; there seem to be male and female versions. Just as humans manifest as male and female, these entities also manifest as male and female. [gestures] Here is an ancient statue of Garuda carrying Vishnu. The Garuda provides support for the awakening process. One of the older Hindu statues shows the birdman connecting two cobras, each representing the human spinal column. The birdman symbolizes the spaces between – the background, the sky, the breeze upon which things fly… Here we have a Native American totem pole. The figure on the bottom is a female Bigfoot, and on top is the Thunderbird. Therefore we see, in ancient lore, an amazing connection drawn between Bigfoot and Mothman.

RAI [points]: Is this the photo for which you are famous?

AC: Yes, this is a high-resolution copy of the picture that was taken in 1973 by my sister. It was a random shot of me in the kitchen drinking from an upside down 7-Up glass. Uri Geller apparently once heard a voice coming from such a glass. The witness to Geller’s experience, CIA scientist Andrija Puharich, was a follower of the British UFO cult “The Nine” and a possible agent of Standard Oil. The emblem on my shirt in the photo is “West Virginia Tech,” which is close to where Union Carbide, a subsidiary of Standard Oil, has its famous Alloy plant. That plant has been polluting the air in the Kanawha Valley, at a level equal to the entire New York City metropolis, for decades. Over the years, a lot of conspiratorial things have happened in the Kanawha Valley. For instance, the family behind Jim Jones and Jonestown, the Laytons, were from Alloy. The family patriarch, Dr. Lawrence Layton, married the daughter of I.G. Farben’s stockbroker and became head of U.S. Army Biowarfare between 1956 and 1963. Layton’s son was one of the doctors at Jonestown. There were a lot of links between Standard, Carbide, and I.G. Farben. It is rumored that the Nazi’s flying saucer program was real, and that it took place on I.G. Farben property. The saucer program may have been transferred to WV after the war, to a Carbide location, which would explain all of the UFOs in the TNT Area… Anyway, when my sister sent this kitchen picture to me, my 3-yr. old son pointed to the window and said “Garuda.” Even though he didn’t know what a Garuda was, he immediately recognized something in that face. If he had not said anything, no one would have ever noticed it. It looks like a reptilian bird. In the Mothman world, the clues come large and small… [gestures] Here is an interesting image… When we were doing the cover for the DVD, the designer made a mirror image and overlapped them. When she did, all of these bird faces appeared. One of them looks like a terrorist, actually. You can even see a skull face, the symbol of death. Mut, the aforementioned Egyptian goddess, is said to weigh the hearts of men after death. The Tibetans say you will meet a Heruka, or wrathful deity, after death. The Garuda is one of these Heruka. A person who sees the Thunderbird is considered to be a “Heyoka” by Native Americans. Again, the names are similar across great distances. There appears to have been a global religion and language at one time, most likely emanating from Tibet and Mongolia. The religion was first called “Mon,” then “Bon.” Today, remnants of it can be seen not only in Hinduism and Buddhism, but in Islam and Christianity. The imprints this early religion made on the human psyche still seem to resonate today.

This happened a while back, in late March, but I am posting it for those who may have missed it. Seattle, having the largest percentage of “managers” per capita in the country, is the most “frocked up” town in the world – everyone is narcissistically righteous about their own importance. There is a trickle-down “copycat” effect, too, whereby artists, bohemians, and even transients and mental patients feel the need to concoct haughty personas that will bring the attention necessary to “make it.” Here is a brief conglomeration of different articles on the Werewolf Hunter, aka the “C.H.U.D. Hunter” (yes, it’s good to have two personas, not just one). C.H.U.D. is an acronym for “Cannibalistic Human Underground Dweller,” also known (to those of us old enough to remember) as a “troglodyte”:

A man wearing what appeared to be a pipe bomb was kicked out of a Seattle homeless shelter Friday morning after claiming to be a vampire, then arrested by police. Was this man one of the “real” vampires from Forks, WA, who sprang up after the filming of “Twilight?” A coworker of mine in the film business, who worked as a set designer on the “Twilight” films, tells me that rumors abound about a sect of “believers” in the NW who claim to be real vampires. Could this be another example of the “Copycat” phenomenon that I first theorized about in the 1980s, where the viewing public sees a piece of entertainment and tries to copy it? Or is this an example of the film being set in a place that already was known for its vampire cults? Or, is this particular incident just another cryptozoological “terror hoax” designed to cover up occult activity? You decide…

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2011329372_apusseattlebombthreat6thldwritethru.html

Below is an article that I wrote during the filming of my video series on Mothman. It explains one entertaining methodology for trying to figure out what “Indrid Cold” – a name that is most likely an alias – really might mean.

The meaning of “Indrid Cold” is simple. In order to approach such Mothman riddles all one needs, it seems, is a basic knowledge of any spiritual tradition – Hindu mythology, Buddhist mythology, Celtic mythology, Judeo-Christian mythology, Aboriginal or Native American mythology. In this case it turns out to be a particularly Hindu case, or at least one that uses Hindu terminology. But all of the above traditions provide ample clues for deciphering symbolic codes and “name-game” mysteries. The “superspectrum,” as John Keel termed it, has embedded itself into our very consciousness. This is reflected in our religion, our language, and our mental coding, which is itself essentially a binary electrical circuit. This loop tends to “spin” conceptual thinking toward dualistic poles such as “good” or “bad,” angelic or demonic, and so on.

The name "Indrid" bears some resemblance to the "INRI" found on images of Christ and the double-headed Eagle - a variation on the Garuda.

After having a basic understanding of one of the above mythologies, one then needs either a few coincidences to occur, or something else in one’s experience that one can draw from, in order to gain insight into the riddle. Luckily (or not), these kind of “coincidences” seem to occur fairly often in the lives of Mothman witnesses. This may be one of the reasons this phenomenon exists: to give us feedback from the universe.

For some this is a blessing, for others it is a curse. Some witnesses get so many psychic pieces of information coming at them that it tends to make them a bit paranoid; others make fast decisions and judgments, internally, which baffle others. Others cannot sense the same input… I am reminded of the fact that the Indians initially couldn’t see the ships of Columbus because their brains couldn’t process it. A shaman had to spend many days looking at where the ships were said to be in order to finally see them. Words really cannot really express… At times, when I am trying to explain my Mothman experiences and everyone is shaking their heads and thinking I am nuts or unduly obsessed, I feel like that shaman. In addition to having seen the creature myself, I have a long string of synchronicities and seemingly profound, symbolic events in my life. I sometimes wonder if Mothman witnesses aren’t each given individual “clues” to a larger puzzle. The dreams, precognitions, telepathic messages, and unusual meetings get us to closer to what is going on within us and around us. My discussions with witnesses reveal such a pattern. Witnesses such as Faye DeWitt and Marcella Bennett speak of “hunches” alerting them to potential dangers. The universe appears to be sending out information regarding specific, powerful human events. This information comes in the form of visions, sounds, messages, random coincidences, and codes.

I interviewed Keel for my documentary on Mothman, and asked him about Indrid Cold. Keel seemed to feel that much of the Cold story is fabricated. He suspects that some of the strange phone calls were a result of Indrid Cold speaking through Woody Derenberger.

The Midway Tavern in Midway, WV, where Indrid Cold used to drink his beer. Many a low-level Masonic plot was hatched here.

Having interviewed a Bigfoot contactee who feels that Bigfoot speaks to and through him, I can attest to being put off by the thought that a witness might create his own “evidence.” Still, looking at it another way, I think that it is worth trying to figure out what is behind a phenomenon whose experiencers feel that they need to “channel” for, or “telepath” to, a creature or entity. I personally feel that Derenberger may not have been a hoaxer, but perhaps a victim of a hoax. He may have even been a victim of mind control. The Air Force involvement in his case – the psychiatric interest, the weeklong “debriefing” at NASA headquarters – is a possible indicator of this.

In looking at this Indrid riddle, though, the first thing I did was to see the name “Indrid Cold” not as a name, but as a descriptor. The main word appeared to be “Cold,” with “Indrid” as a modifier. I ran some anagrams of “indridcold” and got lots of interesting little references to things from the Mothman story. But nothing solid. Then, I turned it around 180 degrees and started looking at “indridcold” not for its constituent parts, but looking at it as a constituent part of a even bigger word. I asked myself if there might be any relevance to the word “indridcold” being spelled out of larger words, and could those larger words represent potential leads, or “name-game” clues? I got a couple of odd pieces of information using these offbeat methods. Knowing that Keel had observed, in the 1960s, that most of the entities channeling through contactees had names that sounded like “synthetic fabrics,” I decided to try and fit “indridcold” into some names of petrochemical companies.

One company that I found was a subcontractor to Union Carbide. It’s acronym was IRPCO. It had employed many of the men in my neighborhood in WV. I myself worked there; I was good friends with the owner’s son. The company has now been sold and has moved its headquarters. The company’s original location was at the confluence of the Elk and Kanawha Rivers, where a bridge collapsed on Dec. 15th, 1904 – the same day of the year as the Silver Bridge collapse. The owner’s family lived on a bluff overlooking the confluence. The bluff was a lover’s lane spot that also doubled as a place to go if you wanted to see Mothman flying above the city. Psychic abductee Harriet Plumbrook had dreams of the bluff prior to ever seeing it, and feels the location is a geomagnetic source for the phenomenon. I was reminded of a story my mother told me when I was a little boy: that Magic Island, at the confluence of the Elk/Kanawha Rivers, was haunted by the ghost of a dead girl who had drowned.

Another odd reference I found was that “indridcold” fit into the full name of the Canadian wing of the chemical company that leased land on both sides of the I-64 bridge in Dunbar, WV, where the famous Tad Jones sighting occurred. That company: Union Carbide (Union Carbide Canada, Ltd.). When I “googled” Carbide’s Canadian facility to check, one of the first links to come up was in Melanson’s book about the Martin Luther King assassination. This reference stated that Union Carbide was the only entity from which James Earl Ray could have gotten the classified personnel information he used to construct his famous “Eric S. Galt” alias. The real Eric Galt was a security-cleared employee of Union Carbide, at a time when the company was making top-secret “proximity fuses” for missiles at its Canadian facilities.

Union Carbide was known for its pioneering work in handling not only “hot” materials like uranium (The Manhattan Project was fueled by Carbide, and many of the uranium mines in the Four Corners area are operated by Carbide), but extremely “cold” technologies. Carbide could “super-cool” metals like no other company of the time. It was the premier “chemical factory” in a valley where Keel was told (by Mothman witnesses) that a “chemical factory” might blow up. In the early 1960s, Carbide already had a complete simulation of the Martian landscape built so that they could test various substances and materials. Could they have a had a hand in any hoaxed moon landings? Conspiracy theorists have speculated about the role of Union Carbide in the Jonestown massacre, which occurred on land previously owned by Union Carbide, and the supposed role of Jonestown’s mind-controlled “zombie killers” in political assassinations. John  Keel was told by psychics beforehand that MLK would be shot, and tried to alert MLK to that fact. The prophecy accurately predicted the manner of the actual shooting, yet was off by one month.

I decided to do another turnabout and look at “Indrid” as the subject, and “Cold” as the modifier. This would prove to be much more beneficial at getting at the root of the “real” Indrid. The trouble, however, is that “Indrid” is not a word we know in America. I had to look for words that were similar to Indrid. After reading Ted Holiday’s work connecting dragons to flying saucers and earthworks, it popped into my head that the Hindu god “Indra” (the god of fire) might be the connection. I looked and found that, throughout the eons, “the Garuda puts out the fire of Indra.” The birdman literally consumes the fires of Indra, rendering them “cold.” The two, Garuda and Indra, are closely associated in Hindu literature. When one sees this relationship, one sees that probably the only thing on Earth that can be a cooled-down form of Indra is: the Garuda. And since Indra is no longer the real, bonafide “hot” Indra when he is cooled down and in Garuda form, he can only be properly termed something that is “like Indra” – something “Indrid” or Indridic. In essence, Indrid Cold seems to have been telling us that he was Garuda operating as Indra in  “cold” form.

Of course, nothing can really prove that Indrid Cold was not a hoax. If John Keel sensed a hoax there, there probably was. But, is the Cold story a regular hoax, or perhaps a “reverse hoax” intended to leak accurate, inside information? Regardless of whether Derenberger was manipulated by a disinformation hoax or by a truth-leak hoax, such a hoax had to perpetrated by someone who knew something about Hinduism. Was this a cryptozoological intelligence operative helping the CIA guide the Dalai Lama over the mountains to India? Very few people in the West knew much about Hinduism back then. Keel certainly knew it, since he originally put the term “Garuda” in the title of his Mothman Prophecies book. But the early cryptozoologists knew it, too. Those who traveled to Nepal to “search for the Yeti” with the Tom Slick/CIA Bigfoot expedition would have known. Slick had roots in Mothman country… Many of the UFO contactees of that era were given messages pertaining to the White Brotherhood of Tibet and the Thule Ultima, both standard fare for Nazi occultists involved in Tibetan research.

Next we have a selection from Chapter 23 of The Mothman’s Photographer III, where we look at the enigmatic Charles Manson, who grew up next to the Carbide plant in Mothman’s old stomping ground of Mound, WV. The Manson family has been in the news in recent months, as former Manson girlfriends Sara Jane Moore and Squeaky Fromme – who both tried to shoot Pres. Ford and thus bring an unelected Nelson Rockefeller into the White House – were released early from prison.

“He was great. He was unreal – really, really good. He had this kind of music that nobody else was doing. I thought he really had something great. He was like a living poet.”

-musician Neil Young, speaking about Charles Manson

“War, fascism, concentration camps, rubber truncheons [and] atomic bombs are what we daily think about, and therefore – to a great extent – what we write about (even though we do not name them openly). We cannot help this. When you are on a sinking ship, your thoughts will be about sinking ships.”

-George Orwell (1903-1950)

“The Constitution has never greatly bothered any wartime president.”

-Francis Biddle, Franklin D. Roosevelt’s Attorney General during WWII, on Roosevelt’s 1942 decision to place Japanese-Americans into internment camps.

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Charles Manson is probably America’s most famous criminal, convicted of directing members of his “family” to commit the gruesome Tate-LaBianca murders in 1969, which effectively ended the peace movement by making it seem as if “hippies” were wildly dangerous. As time passed, researchers learned that Manson was actually not a hippie at all, but a fascist and possible police informant with dreams of a one-world government. The random “Helter Skelter” murders began to look more and more like the contract hits that Manson always implied they were, with drugs and sex looming in the background… Manson lived for at least a couple of years on my street in Mound, WV. Even in the more exhaustive Manson bios, this is usually alluded to only indirectly, embedded in the tale of his mother stabbing a patron in the head at Mound’s Blue Moon Tavern.  When his mother was on the run, Manson’s guardian was a matriarch in the Fisher family. The Fishers are friends of my extended family in the Sissonville area. While attempts have seemingly been made in the media to overlook or perhaps sanitize the Charleston connection to Manson, the connection is real. Van, the owner of “Van’s Never Closed Market” in  Mound, once stated on TV in the early 1980s that he remembered Charlie and Sara Jane Moore coming into his store together, arm in arm. The mile or so of land between Van’s and the Blue Moon Tavern straddles Blaine Island’s Union Carbide plant… The other place Manson was known to have lived in WV is the town of McMechen, along the Ohio River, upstream from Pt. Pleasant. It happens to be very close to an infamous Hare Krishna Temple and to Moundsville, a town with a haunted prison built over leveled mounds. McMechen is also close to Wheeling, where ET “believer” Budd Hopkins was raised. Wheeling’s Sterling Corp. bought and helped reconstitute the Bayer Corp. after its links to I.G. Farben and the holocaust were exposed. Wheeling was a bustling industrial town in the war years, known for its freewheeling nightlife. It could have been in Wheeling, or nearby Pittsburgh, that Manson’s purportedly promiscuous mother might have run into Judge Francis Biddle, federal prosecutor for W. Pennsylvania. In this suppressed interview with the BBC, Manson alludes to being raised by the “judge at Nuremberg.” This had to have been one of two men: Robert Jackson, whom Manson does not resemble, or Francis Biddle, whom Manson greatly resembles. Manson makes a number of interesting comments here that paint a puzzling picture of man who seems, on the one hand, to be an idealistic ecologist who cares about the planet yet, on the other hand, admits to being intimately involved in organized crime, secret societies, and – as should be obvious to anyone who looks at his forehead – Nazism and the New World Order.

Manson, Charles – “Freemansonry” Interview – 1994

Q: Somebody once said you’re the most dangerous man alive. Do you think you are?

CM: It makes no difference… All men are dangerous, although mainly to themselves. I’ve studied criminology. I’ve studied all the “ologies” from Sean Connery to the Hindus. Through time [I’ve gotten smarter. I have become more] literary. And, I speak a little Gaelic on the side…

Photo of Manson prior to attending Boys' Town. Manson's biography is hazy, confusing, and incomplete, but he would have been living in WV and hanging out with Sara Jane Moore around this time. Attempts were made to construct a public profile for Manson, even early in his youth... The tight-lipped Moore was known to go missing for days at a time, possibly with Manson. As an adult, she more or less abandoned her three kids and went missing for ten years starting in the mid-1950s. She later emerged after marrying an Oscar-winning film editor from Hollywood. The secretive Lookout Mountain editing studio was at the top of Laurel Canyon, one of Manson's favorite neighborhoods. One wonders if Manson and Moore reconnected there during the tumult of the late 1960s.

Q: You’re certainly one of the most famous people in the world.

CM: Well, there’s good news and there’s bad news…

Q: A lot of people don’t know you and your mission. Let’s talk about that a little bit.

CM: [It started] years before I got to California. I tried to tell that to the court in California, but I haven’t been able to find anybody in California yet. There doesn’t seem to be “anybody home.”

Q: Because you started in San Francisco playing the guitar?

CM: No, it started in Morehead, Kentucky in 1945…

Q: Did you ever learn to write music?

CM: No, I’ve never slowed down [enough] for that. I move awfully fast. My mind is [like] a rattlesnake.

Q: [You knew] some pretty famous musicians. Do you remember Dennis Wilson?

CM: He had trouble with the truth, because he was raised in Hollywood. Hollywood is a seedy place. Hollywood is a hard place. It’s not [what] you think it is. It’s about control. [It’s the] mind control center of the world.

Q: How did you meet him?

CM: At Elvis Presley’s house…

Q: You did some recording with him?

CM: Yes. They opened up their own house. I wasn’t into what they were doing. I rejected it because I’d just gotten out of one prison and wasn’t looking for another one. The lifestyle that they lived was pretty much controlled by [their] business manager from NYC with the red Ferrari. Did they tell you about the red Ferrari? The electricity [of political power] runs off of a brotherhood that runs off of a cross. It runs off of a piece of clover, that runs off of “666,” that runs up and down the hallways in juvenile hall in Boystown, Nebraska. The heart of man [pumps from] the Brotherhood [of] the Cross. The Brotherhood, on some levels, is very violent and very nasty and very mean. It’s a struggle for points of reality. Some people say that the Maharishi from India is the living God. I say, “No, our Father which art in heaven is the only God.” Then, there’s an argument. And the fire is thrown on me, and I burn up with that. And then… Union Carbide blows up, and a whole bunch of them burn up. [But] who’s burning who up? Where is the center of the mutiny? France, wearing the pants with Eldridge Cleaver and Huey Newton?

Here Manson seems to be referencing a global ideological battle between West and East, Christianity and Islam.  The references to the “Ferrari,” piece of “clover,”  “666,” and “Brotherhood of the Cross” seem to indicate Irish-Italian political and religious involvement, perhaps using occult front groups seeming to be “satanic…” Manson’s reference to fire being “thrown onto him” seems somehow reminiscent of both the Garuda mythology and the Philadelphia Experiment. According to Karl H., an informant in my last book, Manson liked to draw fearsome bird imagery. In addition to claiming links to the Philadelphia mob, Manson also refers to Union Carbide, France (perhaps a reference to the Masonic orders), the civil rights movement and mass mind control. Is this an oblique linking of the Jesuits to the CIA’s Operation CHAOS? It was known at the time of Manson’s interview that Pope John Paul II had worked for Solvay Chemical, which had corporate links to I.G. Farben and Carbide. Solvay now has a facility 5 minutes away from where Manson’s “uncle,” Darwin Scott, lived. Scott was brutally murdered about a year before the Tate killings.

Q: That was all [back] in those days.

CM: It’s still [happening] today. They’re all [having sex] to Michael Jackson. They’re controlling the music in the abortion clinics. Music controls little girls, you know.

Q: Did you like that the Beach Boys changed the name of your song “Cease to Exist”

CM: Not at all. You see in prison, you write songs and send them to people outside, to brothers at recording companies. When the brother’s recording company gets them, they don’t exactly use [it the way it was meant]. I wrote a song: “I know I know I know I know I know I know I know; I know I know I know I know I know I know I know…” It’s a meditation song. I send a tape to someone. They send the tape to the brother’s recording company, and then you hear the song, “Ain’t No Sunshine (When She’s Gone).”

This may be true, because the singer of “Ain’t No Sunshine (When She’s Gone)” was Bill Withers, a native of WV who may have met Manson at one time or another.

Q: So they change [the songs]?

CM: Yes… They take the catchphrases and the feeling that you put into the music. Then that becomes a part of what they call “soul.” All the sound and the soul that comes off of prison [is altered by the time] it gets to your ears. You hear the bottom part of what’s really happening on the top… All [the woman] is doing is giving up sex. She’s going to back up to her fear. A man doesn’t back up to his fear. He goes straight into his fear. We’ve got to have a one world government. We’ve got to have it, man.

Q: You were talking about the music…

CM: The whole world [makes music]. You do it automatically. For instance, you’ve got a music called “Rock and Roll.” Where does it come from? What does it mean? Do you have a level on this [microphone] that you can’t go any louder than?

Q: Don’t worry about [the volume]. You’re fine…

CM: Okay [but] how loud can I go with this? [screams loudly!] Now that’s where Rock and Roll comes from… Music comes from the Crown. Music comes from your King. Music comes from your lord. Music comes from your soul. Hollywood plays music to little girls. I don’t play “little girl” music. I play music for God. I play music for myself. Then, I come up with a song, and they [go and] change the words. I say, “Don’t change the words!” If you change the words, my shadows are running fast, man. I’m running out of monk school. I’m running out of Boystown – Father Flanagan’s in Nebraska. I’m running out of an Irish Catholic Church. I’m running from the IRA. I’m running from everyone that wants to live on the planet Earth, man. I’m running from nowhere and doing nothing. I’m all the same, on and on, as if Shakespeare was a clown.

Q: [So] Shakespeare changed it?

CM: He changed it for his little girls – for money. He compromised himself for money. You don’t compromise yourself for money. If you got a poker game you can’t win, you take your pistol and take the money. You play, and [if] you see that you can’t win, you just take it. You pull your Claymore out and do what any black pirate does: you take everything on the board and go in another direction. This [technique] is very intricate… The Black Hand that comes from the Catholic Church [and] the Romans have been using [it] for years. The Black Hand is supposedly the Hand of God from the cross that’s really upside down and comes from the Negroes and slaves that Abraham Lincoln played with.

Was this a reference to the Moorish/Egyptian underpinnings of Catholicism, or to an amoral, “pirate” intelligence unit within the Catholic Church, such as the Jesuits?

Q: Do you remember any of the famous people you [hung out with]?

CM: Yes, it was alright. I used to play around at Frank Costello’s and Abbot and Costello’s. I knew those people. I got around. That was my neighborhood. Jimi Hendrix lived 3 doors from Dennis, and Elvis lived 2 blocks [away. Still] that is like looking in somebody else’s icebox. See, here’s the thing: I’m not impressed very easily by much. I more impressed by my counselors and associate wardens, to see if I can get a guitar [here in prison]. Everything here is upside down. Everything you do goes off someone else. Humphrey Bogart and James Cagney were not real criminals. The real criminals died somewhere in San Quentin and Folsom, and the actors took them off – what we call a “take off…” Prison is a big machine. A prison is run by black inmates. It’s run by the fear of black inmates. Fear has a lot to do with music. Music has big controls that come out of Boston… They use the black people to control the music. They’ve got a lock on it from James Brown, and from the chain gang. They got a lock on it from the prison. Playing music [onstage] is not the same as “getting down” with music. Getting down with music is going into the mountains, throwing up a fire, getting the drums, and getting down. It’s getting “funky.” The Buffalo Springfield comes off the Kentucky rifle. The Kentucky rifle comes off the Queen of England [because] she comes over to Kentucky to get her horses. It is a horse’s head on the front of that Ferrari – that 200 horsepower car that the business manager drives. He’s got the hitmen on the telephone over there at the brother’s recording company. In other words, they’re in a poker game losing the house… We got into spiritual music, Indian sweatlodges, peace pipes, peyote, and mushrooms. I got the mushrooms from a mighty warrior in the underworld. I live in the underworld. There’s a lot of clarity to the underworld that would be fantasy to you. [It] really is real on other levels. You go out into the desert. You get into the mushrooms and the peyote of the Sundance. The Sundance is another place music comes from. There’s a reality in the Sundance that brings up all the music in you. It brings out all of the cross in you – all the suffering in you. It brings out all the majesty in one’s soul.

Q: What about things like Scientology?

CM: I was in prison when Dianetics first started in 1950. A lot of the guys were interested in studying ways to process the mind [in order] to clear it from past confusion – to resurrect the soul and be reborn within yourself. That’s where Scientology started. Then, they started selling it. Then it got to be The Process Church of the Final Judgment [in England]. I couldn’t go myself, but I sent some people there to do certain things – to [create] an effect. To cause an awakening – an awareness in death… See this mark on my forehead? Do you know how the occult [operates]? You get involved in all kinds of darkness running under [the surface]. It would take too long to explain it all [but, either] God or the Devil opens up – whichever one you’re going to use. [You might begin] believing [certain] things, but then the wind blows in another direction and you [end up] saying, “Woah, that hurts too much. I change my mind.” [If you’re] in the [dungeon] and you’re laying up on the rack, you’re going to do whatever they tell you to do. It’s simple.

Q: I guess we don’t know the answer to that but [are you a Satanist]?

CM: Satan? What is that? They’ve got guys play-acting that for the public. What is a Satanist? No [I’m not a Satanist.] I’m too stupid for any of that… You don’t lay with the snake, because the snake is going to eat you sooner or later.

Q: [What about] the Beatles’ song “Helter Skelter?”

CM:  [They] didn’t know what [they] were doing. “Helter Skelter” was their song. It didn’t have any particular meaning to me. The District Attorney picked up on that and made it into his trip. You’ve got to [understand] a convict’s mind… In 1944, the music was [a certain way, and] people were on that level. Say you got locked up; you were in a vacuum. If you got back out in 1950, they were singing a little faster. Then you got locked back up again. [Your contact with trends] stopped again. You got out in ’59 and people were really [rocking, but] you got locked back up and [the fun] stopped until you got back out in ’67. You went over to see the Grateful Dead, and it was [far out]. That [very process] is what I call confusion, or “helter skelter.”

Q: What does “helter skelter” mean?

CM: It just means “confusion.” The Beatles came up with it [but] they were playing for teenyboppers. I’m not a teenybopper. I liked their music; their music was okay. But my music is still on the bagpipes, you know. I haven’t lost the perspective for that…

Q: So you weren’t getting messages about “helter skelter” [from the music]?

CM [pleadingly]: Oh come on, man! Music gives everyone messages. That’s what music does. Why do I have to be some kind of maniac because I could hear something that the music says? When the music said, “Somewhere over the rainbow,” I was over the rainbow. When Kate Smith came out with There’ll Be Bluebirds Over the Righteous, I was still in Dover. I don’t think anything went wrong… If I could get to somewhere where I could write or have a tape recorder, I could explain a lot of this. It’s very difficult to explain ten or fifteen years in two or three minutes. Words only say so much. The reality of motion in prison – life and death on what they call the “mainline” – comes from handball and weightlifting, from somebody dropping weight on somebody else’s head, of somebody owing something, of a blood-family debt, of the way it burns back and forward. If Watson has something he can’t face, I go face his death for him. Then, he owes me back. Then the Frenchman takes his foils and goes off into battle for me, and I owe him one. So then I come back to Watson and I say, “You pay the Frenchman what you owe me.” He says, “How do I pay it?” I say, “Don’t ask me how. I’m not your father. Do what you’re told. Pay your debt or get off my road.” So, he pays what he has to pay, and does what he has to do. I didn’t direct him to do anything. I told him to be a man and stand up for himself. I didn’t tell him what he should do, or how he should do whatever he had to do. I [simply] said that he has to do what he has to do. Wilson knows that. The street knows that. The penitentiary knows that. And, the Brotherhood knows that…

Q: Didn’t you direct [people] to kill?

CM: I never directed traffic about anything, man. I haven’t got time for that. I’m not going to get involved. I’m not that insane. I may be crazy, but I’m not going to take a chance of putting myself back in jail. For what? You deal me the hand, I’ve got to play it. You gave me the cards [that say] I’m a “mass murderer” – a “hippie cult leader.” I’m [supposed to be] all the things that the D.A. was laying out, so that he can bring in the mafia from New York [like] Rambo in the movies. In other words, he’s got a lot more going on than Helter Skelter. Helter Skelter is just one little [scam] he’s playing. He comes back to me from Geneva and wants to be my sunshine if I’ll agree with him on his “helter skelter” theory. I didn’t have any “helter skelter” in my mind. Let me tell you something: the oven has “SS” written on it. I came out of the bake in 1954. I’m Duke on the yard. There was nobody on the yard who could beat me. They had one or two German kids that were raised in the Hitler youth movement of WWII that were very good, but they couldn’t beat me. I ruled the cigarettes. [At some point] someone had to be killed. Somebody told somebody some lies and somebody had to kill somebody. I came out of the bakeroom pushing the broom. They had this guy in the butcher shop stabbing him to death. I’m walking the line. I’m not a snitch. I don’t run and tell the cops tales. I stand on my own two feet. One of them looked over and said, “Manson, get on the point.” So I took the broom and got on the point. I was watching and thinking, “That tramp better not move for me. If he moves for me, I’m going to take him home to his mama,” you dig? He didn’t move for me and I didn’t move to him. They stabbed him to death. You [normally aren’t supposed to] kill anyone in the penitentiary kitchen, because it makes it bad for the food. It’s bad for everyone; it creates a lot of paranoia. [But] they were cutting this guy in half, trying to put him in a garbage can. They got the elevator and smashed the elevator down [on him] – trying to put him in the can. [They ended up putting] half in one can and half in another can. They smuggled him out of the kitchen. I was [the lookout]. The [guard] comes up and asks, “What happened? What did you see?” I said, “See what? What are you talking about? I didn’t see nothing man.” All of my life, I’ve been on that [same] line. I don’t ever see anything. I know nothing; I’m zero. I don’t get involved. I don’t run and tell. I protect myself. And whatever happens happens, man. People getting killed around me is no new thing. There are people getting killed in prison all the time. [It would be nice to] wear a shield, man. You’ve got all kinds of violence and fear that runs in these places. When you live a life like that, it becomes a natural thing.

Q: Did you give Tex [Watson] orders to kill?

CM: Tex was a rumpkin. He came to town. He was a “momma’s boy.” The prostitutes took his money. He said, “Can I live with you?” I said, “Can you live with me?” He said, “Yeah.” [So I said] “Let me have that pickup truck.” So he gave me an old pickup truck from Texas. I’m letting him stay around the ranch. He’s hanging around. A lot of guys like to hang around me, because I’m underground. I’m what you call “cool.” I’m what everybody tries to be. When I’m down on the street, I ride a motorcycle and I get a lot of girls. I play. That’s my road for a while, until they grab me up and put me back in the cage again. But anyway… Tex sees women lighting my cigarettes. He’s saying, “Yes, ma’am, can I open the door for you?” In other words, he’s the matriarch and I’m the patriarch. He sees the way I’m doing it. He wants to do what I’m doing, so he’ll get his money back. He went and burned the [prostitute] for five grand. He beat her for five grand. Some black guy called me and said, “You took my money. All you white brothers are together. I’m coming up there. I’m going to burn everybody up and take that ranch.” I said, “No, not around me you’re not. You [may] talk that shit to them little girls [but] when you come to me, I’ll take your hat home.” I told Tex to go down there and face that man. He said, “I can’t. He’ll kill me.” He couldn’t do it, so I had to go down there. I ended up shooting the guy and cutting some other people up. That’s the world I live in. I ride in a motorcycle group of crazy people. We’re fighting and cutting each other all the time. That’s no big thing. I’m always smart enough to get away without killing someone, because I don’t want to go to that gas chamber. I’m not going to kill anybody. If I can get away, I’m going to wiggle, jiggle and push that broom and [say] “I didn’t see anything…” There’s a place called Indian Mesa where we’d have fires and play music. We’d make big circles like you do with the stones. We’d put our souls in each other. We’d have sex. We’d do all the things that you guys are not allowed to do in your culture. In the culture I lived in, we’d throw all that out the window. I guess that’s what you would call “Satan.”

Q: That’s right…

CM: I wouldn’t call it Satan. I’d just call it “whatever.” You can call it the time of day if you want. But that’s what was happening in those days. A guy from Texas, who’s a momma’s boy, got me in trouble… Now here’s one of my sins [which] I’ll confess clearly and openly to the world. I never realized how much [power] I held with those people. I never realized how weak people outside [of prison] are. I’ve been raised up inside with these powerful guys – strong men. I’ve been amongst men all my life. I go outside and tell someone, “Come over here and sit down.” They go, “Whoops,” and sit down. How did I do that? I don’t know. They did it to me in prison. The [guard] goes, “Get over here against that wall. Put your hands up.” I learned to do what he said. So, I’m reflecting reflections that are reflected to me. I can [amplify] them… Remember when you were in school and the bully came by and said, “Are you looking for trouble?” You said, “No, no, I wasn’t looking for no trouble.” That’s calling you up. It calls your mind up to start looking for trouble. You’re not thinking about trouble until someone comes to yell in your ear. Pretty soon, you start looking for trouble [even though] you don’t know why… You’ve got [hundreds of] people running through Hollywood, playing music, smoking dope, having sex orgies, and riding motorcycles. I was just [a member of a] small music group called The Family Jams.

Q: [Did] you seduce young girls?

CM: Wait a minute! All those girls that you keep attributing to me were just girls that happened to be in the “free love” subculture. The only reason they’re still with me is because I’ve never lied to them. I don’t lie. I quit lying a long time ago.

Q: You don’t lie to us now?

CM: I’ve got no reason to… The time is done… Damn, I don’t know whether you’ll understand it or not. [Let’s say] a young kid is walking down the street… A cop comes up to him and shines a flashlight in his face and says, “Up against the wall!” This scares the kid, so he gets up against the wall. The cop says, “What are you doing out here? It’s after ten o’clock at night. Are you out here to burglarize the stores?” The kid says, “No, sir. I’m not here to burglarize the stores.” The cop is a rookie cop. He doesn’t realize that he is programming this young mind to burglarize stores. Being a juvenile delinquent, I went through that. I burglarized stores and I ended up in reform school. That’s how I figured that out, you dig? So they came and they raided the ranch. They [asked] “Are you causing trouble, Manson?” I said, “No. I’m not causing trouble, and you’re not going to program my mind to [cause] trouble, either.” Fear don’t work on me anymore. You can pile ten dead bodies up there and [let them] bleed all day. It don’t bother me one bit. I’m not affected by fear games. [However] I didn’t realize that they were setting everybody else’s minds [against] me. I didn’t realize [that I was about to become] “His Holy Majesty” [of evil]. I was just a dumb kid who had [recently] gotten out of prison. I had just done 22 years, from 1944 to 1967. I had no idea what was going on outside. I was at that ranch just like I was in the joint. I was still walking that same line that I was walking in prison. I was not [about to] break any laws. Creepy Karpis once told me, “Son, you want to stay out of jail? [Then] don’t break the law. If you don’t break the law, you don’t have to go to jail. It’s that simple.” I said, “I’ll try.” And I tried it. There are a whole lot of people who know me that will witness and tell you that I did not break the law.

Q: You had nothing to do with [the killings]?

CM: I was on the edge of everything that happened. I unknowingly affected everything that happened. But I didn’t realize the affect I was having on people. I never in a second flashed about being a “walrus.” I’ve been in the minds of millions, but I have never been in my own. I’m not in my own mind until I get outside. I’m living in the mind of the guards. I’m living in the mind of the people next to me, down the hallway. I [always have] to balance everything around me to stay alive. In prison, you have to get along with everybody [in order] to stay alive. If you don’t, you get crissed and crossed, and somebody’s going to push you over the edge.

Q: Why did the girls go to that house that night and kill those people?

CM: Alright, this is going to get heavy…. The Jewish [music bosses] rejected me – on a universal level – from Cary Grant’s apartment space, because I wouldn’t [exploit] the black people. I wouldn’t get into the middle of the [music industry] sexuality that [started] after we lost the Korean War. We had to give them Doris Day and let Rev. Moon come in [as payment. That same sexuality is now being sold] to build kibbutzes and machine guns in Israel [while] the Arabs [only] have rocks [to throw]. So when I passed on that, I fell into the Beach Boys’ [scene]. The Beach Boys are being run by the Italian Mafiosos from the East Coast. The Mexicans kicked the [Italians] out of Rosarita and told them stay out of California. They didn’t like them. When I went to the Beach Boys [about them] owing me money for music, they put me onto the Italian business manager. He said, “You get nothing. Sue me…” I said, “I won’t sue you. I’ll bomb your car and blow your house up.” He said, “I’ll call NY and the Mafia.” So, I backed off. That’s why I moved in with Denny. I was [thinking] “If you won’t pay me on one level, I’ll sneak you on another level. You’re going to pay me sooner or later because I’m that guy that always gets paid. And I always pay.” In other words, I walk a line, and it’s hard.

Q: Tell me about the other reasons why [you don’t lie now].

CM: One thought can change a million perspectives. One word changed Tex’s head. Somebody else was being called up into a negative thought by harassment from others.

Q: What do you mean by that? What happened?

CM: Well, the ranch was being raided every other day by the L.A. sheriff. Every time [authorities] would become afraid of black [riots] they’d run over and raid the white people to make themselves feel a little more powerful. When you’re white and you’re “underneath” the establishment, you’ve got to deal with all the white people in the establishment who are afraid of blacks… I don’t want to start pulling people’s covers, but all the [Hollywood stars around Polanski] weren’t as wonderful and nice as you think. There are all kinds of things happening in the darkness. How does someone [like Polanski] come from Poland to Hollywood and go all the way over the top and have [blockbusters like] Valley of the Dolls? I don’t play on the level of little girl music. I play on the level [where you] flat out see Christ dying on the cross. In other words, it’s scary. It’s really, really far out. A lot of people try to copy [it] but it’s got to come from the soul – from certain levels of the mind… Your mind is a pattern. If it gets [interrupted, you] go crazy. When you open up the soul, you open up the hole in the soul.

Q: Great [but] we’ve still got a pile of bodies in this house. How did they get dead?

CM: The [Oriental] came up to me and said, “You must be [the leader of The Family].” I said, “Get away from me with that.”

Q: Who’s The Oriental? Do you remember his name?

CM: A blond-haired, blue-eyed Oriental came to me and [said] “This music is mine, you little bitch. I’ll take your heart out of your chest, tramp.” Terry Melcher (Doris Day’s son) had sent this clown over to me. To Terry Melcher, Rev. Moon was “the man.” He’s not the man to me. Put [Rev. Moon] in the mainline of San Quentin, and he’s not the man [anymore]. Put him over on death row and he’s not the same guy he was in the clown outfit, playing some game. There’s a lot of men on this road. Don’t touch what you don’t even know exists.

Q: So, it’s got something to do with Terry Melcher…

CM: The Oriental came there wanting to fight. I told him I didn’t want to fight. I ducked him and ran out behind the barn. Somebody else fought him. I [ended up] putting [a canvas bag] over his head. I laid him down and asked, “Do you want me to cut your head off? I [can] take your life right now.” I got him right up to the point of taking his life then said, “Look man, I don’t want to go to Death Row for you. I don’t want to go to San Quentin for you.” He said, “Stay out of the music or cut my head off.” I said, “Go back to your wife and get under her bed and beg her for forgiveness. Because if I take your head, it won’t be where anybody will know it.” And I said, “Now get.” I ran him off. But when I ran him off, the war didn’t end.

Q: But we’ve still got these dead people in this house. Everyone points to [you].

CM: That’s because the DA told them that. He told them the Helter Skelter [story].

Q: So you didn’t send them [to the Tate-Polanski house]?

CM: I didn’t send them anywhere. I’m not the director. I don’t send people places.

Q: It wasn’t for Helter Skelter? You weren’t going to start a big revolution?

CM: [I was in prison for] 25 years. I [have almost] no intelligence. Doesn’t it make any sense to anybody [that maybe] I wasn’t [the leader]?

Q: But what you’re saying now isn’t making a lot of sense to a lot of people.

CM: You can’t just explain it [easily]. It’s not that simple. There [had been] two to three years of sex orgies, and fights [around those sex orgies]. When you open up a sex orgy, what happens? You get 4 or 5 bulls in the same ring [and] all the bulls start banging on each other. You get all kinds of fights. Outlaws are always fighting and killing each other. This ain’t no new thing where I live, man.

Q: So, you’re saying the people in the house were outlaws. too?

CM: The only thing that made any difference is that [Sharon Tate] happened to be an actress. If she hadn’t have been an actress, nobody would have even heard about it. And probably no one would have gotten busted… At the L.A. morgue, they bring in [dozens of] bodies every night. In other words, “that’s life.” People are killing all the time.

Q: They didn’t go [kill] for you?

CM: They did not go for me.

Q: I’m going to accept for a moment that they didn’t do it for you, okay? So I’m asking myself, “Why did they do it?”

CM: They did it because they had to do it.

Q: They did it because they had to do it? They had a beef with those people?

CM: No, life pushes them to do that. Life pushes them, and it’s got to be done. It’s got nothing to do with personality. It’s not me.

Q: Of course it has to do with personality.

CM: What am I? God?

Q: If you [are saying] that they didn’t do it because of a beef with those people, you’re almost joining up with Bugliosi, because you’d be saying it was done at random.

CM: All Bugliosi had was a bunch of murders and a bunch of people. He wanted to win [the case]. He took advantage of it completely. Let’s face it, everybody in this world is out for number one. Everybody uses everybody else, any way they can. He wasn’t doing it for the betterment of humanity, because he doesn’t give a shit about humanity…

Q: But if it had anything to do with it being Terry Melcher’s house once…

CM: Yes, it was Terry Melcher’s [former] house. People at that ranch were mad at Terry Melcher because he didn’t [sign us to a music contract, and because] he sent somebody over there to fight. He caused some trouble. He almost got some other people killed. Some people put their life on the line because of Terry Melcher. Terry Melcher didn’t even know about it. No one ever told him about it. This is the first time I’ve ever even brought it up. A lot of that poison goes under the bridge. I just forget it, and let it go. Because it doesn’t matter… To dig it up only brings up more negativity. The time is done. The crimes are over. It went through the changes. [All I can say now is] give me my rights. Give me the rights you didn’t give me [at trial].

Q: Some people say you should get a new trial.

CM: If you don’t give me a new trial, I’ve got no rights at all. I’ve been kept in handcuffs for 23 years. They can do anything they want. They take my mail any time they want. They do anything they want to me. Where does that put you? You’ve got no rights [either]! It all comes back to the King. You’ve only got the right to do what the King tells you to do. The rights go to the King. You know who the king is? King George, who is from Ohio, you dig? In other words, we’re in this world together. Don’t put it all on me and leave me locked up the rest of my life. Be responsible for your part of it.

Was Manson referring here to former Pres. George H. W. Bush, who was from Ohio and descended from British royalty? If so, how did Manson come to know these relatively obscure facts? I have often joked that Charles Manson and George W. Bush have similar speech patterns and somewhat resemble each other. Could they be related? There have long been rumors that Manson was associated with the Solar Lodge of the Ordo Templi Orientis, which was founded by Aleister Crowley – possibly Bush’s grandfather. In the next section, Manson alludes to using a sword as a power object, not unlike the SE Asian shamans with their rattling Garuda swords. He also mentions spending time in Mexico City, where famous patsies James Earl Ray and Lee Harvey Oswald also visited.

Q: If you were ever going to have another trial, you’d have to go into court and give reasons why those people were killed.

CM: [It’s just] semantics. I didn’t push them. They did what they wanted to do. The only thing I did [was] hang a Confederate sword in the kitchen. I said, “Don’t lie. Anybody at this ranch, don’t lie. You lie, the sword might jump off and come and get you.” But I never had anything to do with directing traffic. I don’t know how many ways it can be said. Give me my rights in a courtroom. You’ve had a little time to listen to me talk. Do I sound like I’m incompetent? Why did they take my rights in a courtroom? Because Bugliosi was scared to death… I knew what had happened. I could have taken it apart and explained it. There was nobody in that family that wasn’t willing to tell the truth. All of them said, “Yes, I did it to stop the war.” You’re saying, “It’s all Charlie’s fault.” [But] I didn’t write the songs. That’s not my generation. My generation was Bing Crosby, not the Beatles. I was Charlie Tuna in the penitentiary during the 1960s. I was in Mexico City in the 1950s. I wasn’t even in the U.S. I was in jail south of the border.

Q: There was a story that you went to the house after the killings. Did you?

CM: No, and do you know [where that came from? My] lawyer, Fitzgerald [colluded with] the D.A. Why? Because [selling out is] easy. That’s why the Reverend Billy Graham’s daughter is having Italian babies right now. [That’s why Protestants become] Catholic. The Queen of England is [practically] doing it with Gandhi, a convict out of prison. Hitler [was an ex-con]. All [ex-cons] are in the same spot I was in when I got out. Fitzgerald read up on the law and [found] that the only way they could keep from giving me a trial was to prove that I was in the house when, or after, someone was killed.

Q: Okay. So you didn’t [go to the house]?

CM: No.

Q: But somebody did. Somebody went back to the Cielo Dr. house after the killings. Somebody on the other side of the canyon heard people in that house, at 4:00 in the morning – 4 hours after the killings – having an argument. Who do you think they were?

CM: Probably the maid. Maids do a lot of things. Maids get around a lot, you know.

Q: No, she didn’t get in until later on. [Plus maids] don’t move a lot of bodies around.

CM: You are an intelligent being. [Listen, it’s all] rumor. There’s not a cockroach, rabbit, or fox in that town that I don’t know. There’s not a raccoon or rat in the sewer pipe that I don’t know. I tell you, nobody was in that house from that ranch.

Q: So somebody from outside the ranch?

CM: That house was randomly [chosen] by mistake. It just was there, man. The whole thing jumped from the soul. The guys took it off and decided what they wanted to do. There was no direction. [Say] we’re standing in a circle, and it’s hot. Someone comes in with an orange sweater. Somebody says, “Man, I sure wish we had something cold to drink.” Someone says, “How about some orange juice?” Someone else says, “Alright.” Whose conspiracy is it to go get the orange juice? The guy with the orange sweater? The guy who said it was hot? The guy with the air conditioner? Who are we going to blame it on? Let’s blame it on somebody we can get away with blaming it on! Let’s blame it on some convict who ain’t got no money. Let’s blame it on somebody with no education. [As soon as] Bugliosi saw me [he knew] I was custom fit for his ambition. When he got what he wanted, he moved from New York City to Hollywood. [He imagined himself as] Rambo in the dune buggy with the machine gun. [He imagined] himself being on Rat Patrol, with the black box [and] the helicopter. [He imagined] himself as Tom Selleck [fighting] the Blackfeet Indians, playing all the games [of the old West]. The whole thing was a play – a [drama]. A game that [some] children got stuck in. This is important.

Q: There’s [obviously] more to you than just the murders. But I tell you… All of these people all over the world, when they hear your name, they just think, “Sharon Tate.” That’s all they know about you. So [your story is that] Bugliosi comes along and dumps it on you. It wasn’t your fault – it just happened around you. You once said that you weren’t even there – that you were in San Diego that night. Is that true?

CM: [Yes] I got a ticket in San Diego.

Q: How come you got a ticket? Did anyone else see it?

CM: I got a ticket for driving in a milk truck. It was an old raggedy truck. Deputy Schramm, Highway Patrol, gave me a ticket. But, they moved me to the East Coast. The D.A. has the power of the Supreme Court. The court system in the U.S. needs a lot of work if it’s ever going to get back on its feet. It needs a lot of readjusting. The D.A. has the arbitrary power to indict anyone. He can control time. That’s the reason Bugliosi said I stopped his watch. Actually, he stopped his own watch. But he keeps blaming it on me because he [can]. I got a note from him from Geneva, Switzerland [asking me to] compromise with him, because he was beginning to see the “immediacy of the soul.” Let me say this to all of you: the soul moves things beyond our comprehension. We can’t blame one human being for the Second World War. We’re [probably] going to keep blaming Hitler, but Hitler was just [another] person who was thrown into the world…

As you may recall, the 11:11 phenomenon visibly introduced itself into the Mothman scene in late 2006, when the sighting of a government van with the license 11-1L seemingly portended two tragic deaths and led local investigators to ponder certain questions: Who were the men in black in the van seen near Akron? Were they associated with the 1111 Independence Ave. address in the Chapel Hill Mall area of Akron, once an Indian sacred area? To get more answers, I recently made a second trip to Ohio to check out this Akron site, as well as the Mason, OH area, where I felt the famous Jesuit scrolls – regarding Egyptian tribes in Ohio – may have been hidden. The scrolls are said to have been the creative impetus for infamous Mason (and probable Moor) Joseph Smith to start the Mormon religion.

Before I got to 1111 Independence Ave., I had to pass through downtown Akron. Needing a short break, I stopped at the art museum. While strolling around the block, I discovered an empty lot amongst the tall buildings. It had obviously once been an ornate structure of some kind, possibly one of the first buildings in town, but all that was left were two Greek columns and the sign “United 1 Commerce Center.” Oddly, there were four 1’s clearly visible at the site: the two columns, a 1 on the sign, and a similarly styled 1 on the very top of the building next door, which faced the now empty lot. 

Four 1's seen across from Chase and Federal Bldg. in Akron. Information about this probable Masonic site is scarce.

The new buildings at 1111 Independence Ave., which look like "111L" from the air (with the "L" seemingly underlined for emphasis).

Why Mothman would also be seen there, soon after the buildings’ completion, is a mystery. Since the sighting occurred up the road past Indian Mountain, on the way to Kent State Univ., I figured that maybe the phenomenon was pointing towards Kent State – that perhaps there was some Masonic connection between the Mothman conspirators of 1966 and the Kent State shootings. It has been said that the National Guard engaged in unusual Masonic-like chanting and marching just prior to the shootings. The whole thing seemed like a ritual sacrifice. Independence Ave. is very close to a gorge in the Cuyahoga River.

Both sets of buildings at 1111 Independence Ave. This was once a sacred Indian area overlooking the Cuyahoga River. Mothman was seen a mile or two north of here last month.

The Cuyahoga, which has caught on fire several times due to industrial pollution, runs by Indian Mountain, Kent State, and the Army’s massive Ravenna Ammunition Plant on its way to Cleveland, where the Rockefellers began polluting it in the late 1800s.Indians were drawn to gorges and falls, and often built their mounds there, as in Mound, WV and Mason, OH. Mason, OH, in the southern part of the state near Cincinnati, is an interesting place. It is one of the most quickly developing industrial areas in the country, and is home to King’s Island Amusement Park as well as Ft. Ancient, a famous ancient Indian site along the mound-encrusted Little Miami River. Mason was founded by a William Mason from Palmyra, Tennessee. He originally named the town Palmyra, too, probably in honor of the Middle Eastern roots of Masonry. Palmyra, NY, was where Joseph Smith started his whole Mormon gig, so it made me wonder if the scrolls had been found in the Little Miami gorge near Ft. Ancient. Other name game clues in the Mason area pointed to Egyptian and/or Moorish influences, such as the names of towns and establishments like “Cowan,” “Morgan,” “Lamb,” “Morrow,” and “Lebanon.” I was intrigued by the fact that the supposed finder of the scrolls, Solomon Spaulding, was from Conneaut, OH, which is in the upper NE corner of the state, and he was said to have found the scrolls along “Canute Creek” in “the Ohio Valley.” Spaulding’s publisher had shown the scrolls to Joseph Smith.

The Masonic "1" used as a primary logo for chapters in Ohio. Note resemblance to older buildings at 1111 Independence Ave.

While in Mason, I saw two different tractor trailers with the odd logo of a trucking company called “Conn West,” which carried Masonic symbols. Perhaps Conn West, which is actually based in northern Ohio, had something to do with “Conn East,” or Conneaut? It wasn’t until I returned home that I found that Conneaut, which is along Lake Erie, is actually not that far from the sources of the Ohio River. Interestingly, there is a long serpentine wall at Ft. Ancient that looks both like a bird head with a long neck and human sperm. 

The Birth of the Sun God, Ra. Note "111L" depicting what seem to be genetic lineages of the characters involved. From a birdman we see a progression to an olive-skinned human who worships a bird god ensconced in a Moorish crescent "boat" altar with four 1's in front.

Synchronistically, those two seemingly disparate subjects are alluded to in an Egyptian painting showing the Birth of the Sun God, Ra, which implies that there is some genetic relationship between the Sun God (depicted as bird) and humans – similar to the Annunaki legends of the Sumerians. Eerily, the painting seems to depict genetic lineages inside the symbols “111L.” Another possible aspect of the four 1’s is that, in addition to being symbolized by four ornate columns (as in George Washington’s Masonic apron), it may have been symbolized in funerary rituals. For instance just as I finished typing this blog, I watched a show about the Windover bog mummies found in Florida. It seems that 7000 years ago, these ancient Americans buried their dead by covering the body with cloth and pushing the assemblage underwater using four wooden posts – i.e., a water burial embodying the feminine aspect of Moorish cosmology. It seems that the symbology on Washington’s apron – which originated in Egypt – also found its way to America several millennia before. To put the nail in the coffin, so to speak, the DNA of the bodies was analyzed by Joseph Lorenz, then of Cornell Univ., now of Central Washington Univ. According to Lorenz, the DNA shows that these inhabitants came from Europe. They do not share characteristics with later Indians. Since we know that Europeans’ DNA originally came from Africa, this is tantamount to saying that the Indians of Florida in 5000 B.C. were African. Since people aren’t allowed to say this outright on TV, the producers tried to imply that the DNA samples must have been contaminated by workers who dug up the bodies – a ridiculous, racist confabulation that, unfortunately, is all too typical of today’s “modern” anthropologists. A facial reconstruction of one of the skulls clearly shows that they looked African. To find out more about this fascinating subject, check out my recent interviews on Think or Be Eaten. Scroll down to shows 47 and 48:

http://thinkorbeeaten.com/theknoll/radio.html

I just returned from the Mothman Festival in Pt. Pleasant, WV, where I spoke on recent developments in the Mothman world (special thanks to the guys at Ghostly Talk Radio for recording the events and for allowing me to change my speaking time). In the week prior to the event, a synchronistic thing happened. While packing up and moving my house, I found a paint can key, which is used to open paint cans and also soda bottles. I began wondering why these two functions were included in the same tool. I had seen the tool even as a young boy, so I knew that they had been around for decades. I figured it had to do with allowing painters to open beer or soda bottles while on break.

The venerable Painter's Key, which has so enriched the scions of Big Oil. A symbol similar to this was crucial in a eugenics tinged episode of Millenium. It is also very similar to the logo of Key Bank, owned by the Rockefellers.

I thought back to earlier this summer, too, when I had researched ways to buy off-brand paints to save money (the paint sellers were telling me that recent price increases were due to the price of oil). I discovered that several brands were manufactured in Cleveland, original home of the Rockefellers and Big Oil. The Rockefellers most likely control the paint industry due to the necessity of using oil in all paints. Also, the Rockefellers probably control the soda industry, too, which would explain why paint can openers also open soda bottles. That way, they kill two marketing birds with one stone. I won’t even get into the fact that Osama bin Laden reportedly controls a key element of all sodas, namely gum arabic. There’s no way the big cola companies don’t know the whereabouts of Osama, since they have to pay him all the time for his gum arabic.

The synchronistic aspect of the paint can key is that about an hour after mulling these things over, I watched an episode of Millenium. In that episode, a symbol eerily similar to the paint can key is found on the body of several suicide victims. These victims are all genetically engineered women who are killing themselves because their mad scientist “father” is about to die of lung failure. Actor Brad Dourif, originally from West Virginia, plays a conspiracy theorist in the episode who, in the end, runs off with the remaining women to continue their Nazi-like experiments in hiding. There are several episodes along this theme in Millenium, many of which seem to tie into the Rockefeller-Nazi shenanigans seen so often in the study of Mothman events.

Before reaching Pt. Pleasant, I landed in Columbus, OH. Driving away from the airport, I noticed that the Iron Mountain Corporation has a large new facility in Columbus. Many readers will recognize this as the same Iron Mountain that was originally spawned in NY by the Rockefellers in their quest to dominate the nuclear industry. Nowadays, Iron Mountain is flourishing within the new data-storage industry. They sometimes “lose” data from their white vans, unfortunately, so one could say also that they are into “data-mining” as well. We just don’t know exactly who is doing the mining yet… Another place I drove by is the original location of Jeffrey Steel, which has been under dispute for some time because of all the pollution there. Even though the land is polluted, the city has agreed not to fine the new owner if suits are filed later. A nice gesture from the City… The Jeffrey family is said to be the family that originally gave the Bush family their start in Columbus…

Another place I drove through before getting to Pt. Pleasant was Midway, WV, home of the notorious Indrid Cold. I was shocked to see that in the few short months since I first publicized the fact that arch-Mason George Washington once owned the town, the Red House estate to which he was connected has been turned into the City Hall for the adjoining town of Eleanor. The renaming of this landmark further obscures his connection to the area. One would think that locals would want the Washington connection heightened, not obscured, so the whole thing is odd. By the way, the Eleanor police station is where Woody Derenberger would go to pick up packages for his mysterious “boss,” whose identity still remains a secret.

Before heading to the festival, I spent some time with my sister Loretta at her famously haunted home in Tornado, WV. She lives very close to a street called Millenium Way, along the Coal River. The Coal River was the first major industrial thoroughfare in WV, as it was used to bring coal into Charleston that was to be turned into oil. Yes, that’s right; the first industrial use of coal was as a precursor for oil. If you put it under enough pressure, you can squeeze a lot of oil out of it. West Virginia was thus the first state to mass produce oil. There are dams along the Coal which date back to the mid-1800s. The coal train still runs alongside the river today, ferrying bituminous from the southern coalfields. Interestingly, the mouth of the Coal is called “Indian Head,” indicating that it was once a major Indian settlement. The mouth of the Coal was also the site of one of the pivotal battles of the Civil War: the Battle of Scary Creek. There, the South gained its first significant victory.

Scary, WV, near the mouth of the Coal River. One wonders if the name derives from the many creatures seen in the area.

Across the river from the mouth of the Coal is Institute, WV, where Carbide/Farben carried on the tradition of “making oil” during WWII by manufacturing synthetic rubber and oil for the U.S. military and, it seems, the Nazis. This is where the intriguing Tad Jones UFO sighting occurred, as covered by John Keel in The Mothman Prophecies. While relaxing in front of a fire in my sister’s backyard along the Coal, she informed me that she had a late-night Man in Black encounter when she was only 4 yrs. old. This would have been 1950, exactly when John Keel said West Virginia UFO contactees were being studied intensely by the Army. My sister says the MIB went through all of her dresser drawers while she pretended to be asleep. He was thorough and methodical, and not interested in her in the least. He was obviously after something. This immediately made me think of my father’s potential involvement in the Philadelphia Experiment. No doubt they were tracking anyone who had been at Norfolk, in order to make sure they were not hiding documents or other information that might spill the beans.

My dad's Carbide I.D. Note the three pyramids in the background, an emblem of the Masons.

When I finally got to Pt. Pleasant, another interesting synchronicity occurred involving the number 11, a process I mentioned in my previous post. Actually, it didn’t happen to me, but to a surprise guest who showed up at the festival. He was the second boy I knew who lived in the infamous “Mothman vortex” house on Woodward Drive. His name is Steve Slack. I had not seen Slack in probably 20 years, and he was not aware that I was coming to the festival. His reason for being there is that he now lives in Pt. Pleasant. He is a long-time riverboat captain on the Ohio, and living in Pt. Pleasant is convenient for him. Slack had moved into the Woodward Drive house in the late 1960s, right after Tommy Burnham had moved out. Interestingly, Slack was present at my house in 1973 when my sister accidentally took the photo of what we now think was a Garuda looking in the kitchen window.

The only known possible photo of Mothman (looking in lower left of window), taken in 1973. I had just seen a shadowy entity coming out of tree earlier that week.

The entity had apparently followed me home after I had seen it at Slack’s house earlier that week. Slack was standing next to my sister when she snapped the photo. During my talk at the festival, Slack was in the audience, and he raised his hand to make a comment. He stated that he has been plagued by the number 11 for many years. He will wake up in the middle of the night and it will be 1:11, and so on. He asked me what I thought of it, and I went into the details mentioned in my previous post about the Masons, George Washington, and how two of my watches had stopped at 1:11 just a couple of weeks before. Seeing Slack at the festival was a pleasant shock. His words were further evidence that almost everyone on Woodward Lane was affected by the phenomenon in one way or another. 

Speaking of my watches stopping, several locals came up to me with theories attempting to explain why the watches had stopped. First off, they were incensed with the actions of the bombastic Col. J. Platypus Maddoxtopus, Ph.DDS (a pseudonym), also known as “The Galaxy’s Greatest Cryptozoologist®,” and his scientific cohort, Dr. Germaine Noordeman Quark (also a pseudonym). J-Plat and Quark had gone onto various national talk shows and, in a clear display of poor taste, said “bad” things about John Keel immediately after his death. Rather than celebrate the deceased person’s achievements – as is typically done in the wake of anyone’s passing (no matter how despicable they were in life) – J-Plat and Quark ignored Keel’s groundbreaking work and wonderful sense of humor and, instead, tried to paint him as a paranoid, isolated, antisocial figure. This is merely a continuation, of course, of the passive-aggressive attacks they have launched at him throughout his career. It’s just that, in this case, no one could believe they would stoop so low as to do it again at his electronic wake. The locals in Pt. Pleasant seemed to feel that the stopping of my “Tour de France” and “Coleman” watches was an indication that J-Plat and Quark might be some sort of Masonic operators manipulating the Mothman-UFO-cryptozoology scene. Locals cited J-Plat’s “omnipresence” in the media, his twisting of the original Mothman Curse from one of “Indians vs. Whites” to one of “Mothman vs. Mothman researchers,” and his propagation of hoaxes and kitsch over the years. A couple of them seemed to feel that J-Plat was in cahoots with the host of the “Ghost to Ghost” program – i.e., that Ghost to Ghost only  interviews paranormal researchers, like Maddoxtopus, who take a limited, politically safe “cryptozoological” approach that supports the status quo. True tales of a benevolent, perhaps Moorish, deity are not allowed on a show that sees our country as controlled quite nicely, thank you, by a Masonic elite engaged in an epic battle with the descendants of the Moors in the Middle East (i.e., Muslims).

My Coleman watch, which stopped at the same exact time as my Tour de France watch.

As some sort of evidence that Mothman might now be protecting the legacy of John Keel, I was told that on the first night of the festival, there was a mysterious technical failure that ruined the world premiere of a documentary film put together by one of J-Plat’s seeming proteges, Jason Bates Spock (a pseudonym). Spock had spent 6 years making and hyping the film only to see its premiere go down in flames. Money and assistance had been given to Spock from a college in D.C. connected to the intelligence establishment. Every wheel that could have been greased for “his” project had been greased, including spots on Ghost to Ghost early on, long before the film was ever edited. The bogus message that Mothman is just another cryptozoological oddity, with no special powers, had been blocked. Was the premiere’s failure an example of the “Mothman Curse” in action? Some locals thought so. Those who saw it later said that it is no different than the others, a “commercial” venture that merely looks at the dramatic, titillating “surface” of the situation – perfect for drawing advertisers. After the theater emptied out, J-Bate was seen arguing with a woman in the middle of Main Street, seemingly inebriated (although we don’t know this for sure). The police were apparently called, however they were busy with a fistfight occurring outside another bar down the street. It was a wild night and I’m sorry I missed it… I haven’t seen the film, which Spock falsely claimed on Ghost-to-Ghost was the only film to carry extended interviews with Mothman witnesses. Perhaps Spock’s most serious mistake was agreeing with the host that Mothman was dangerous and tried to “attack” witnesses. Any archetypal protector deity would naturally take offense to this… In the Mothman’s case, he only seems to “attack” ignorance, a state of mind often created when elite conspirators attempt to suppress others. Mothman only uses psychological means in revealing the truth: through word, image, and the mind-blowing manipulation of space and time – which includes “technical malfunctions.”

Close-up of window with possible Garuda looking in. The Garuda is known in Asia as a tireless defender of the people - of all that is good - in the timeless battle of "good" vs. "evil."

As many of you know, I have been following certain name-game and number threads throughout my research. One of these, as discussed in The Mothman’s Photographer III, is the “11/11″ mystery. These four numbers add up to 4, of course – another number that comes up a lot. For instance, we had a rash of sightings of four Mothmen (”The Four”) in the last couple of years. In 2006, the “11/11″ mystery reared its head when a fellow Mothman researcher saw a van near Cleveland with the license plate 11-1L. He and I were looking into the claims of a woman in the area who claimed to have experienced a multitude of paranormal events. Although she had declined my offer to film her testimony on video, this other researcher had gone to visit her. As he was leaving the area, a strange van, which he felt contained possible Men in Black, had driven alongside him for quite a while on the interstate. Tragically, a week later, two people close to the researcher both died – on 11/11/06. As this was happening, he and I, as well as Mothman experiencer Harriet Plumbrook, were receiving blank phone messages from the number “(000)000-0000.”  

MIB van seen enroute to Akron with the government license plate "11-1L." A week later, two people close to the witness died, on 11/11/06. A mysterious phone call, perhaps from the MIBs themselves, led to the address 1111 Independence Ave. in Akron.

Oddly, the same weekend Adam Gorightly and I were having our White MIB/Squirrel encounters last June (see earlier post), Harriet woke up outside of her house, in the wee hours, with cuts on her wrist – an event that symbolically echoed the name of one of Indrid Cold’s cohorts, “Terry R. Wriste.” The “tearing of the wrist” is thought to be a Masonic symbol. Synchronistically, that same weekend I was told by plant expert Louise Lacey that she had found 11 sets of different plant species on top of Sedona, Arizona’s most sacred hill. There were only 22 plants on top, with two versions of each species present – the 11/11 motif in another form. Louise, Adam, and I visited the “runways” of Morgan Territory that weekend, where we discovered that the original inhabitants, the Volvon Indians, had worshipped a Mothman-like creature called “Molluk.” Yes, that would be the same creature represented by the Republican’s Great Stone Owl in Bohemian Grove… By the way, Harriet’s father was Swedish, was a Mason, and had intelligence connections. One wonders if Masonic/intel groups are still tracking Mothman experiencers to this day, or if experiencers like Harriet are simply manifesting new clues in physical form. According to Harriet, these cuts have appeared before, and they always seem to come in sets of approximately 10. When I asked her if there could be 11 of them, she said that it is possible; she didn’t think to count them each time it happened. There appearance seems to be part of a periodic revelatory pattern, which signals the experiencer to notice clues.

Just last night, I opened The Mothman Prophecies to a random page and found that Indrid Cold’s name was repeatedly misspelled by a major UFO organization as Indrid “Kuld.” Keel thought that this was most mysterious. Since “kuld” typically translates as “gold,” and “Indrid” relates to both Sweden and the fire god, Indra (who battles the Garuda or Mothman), an interesting set of possibilities arises as to why Indrid and his buddies chose their particular aliases. If Indrid’s full name means “hot gold,” then the recovery – during Mothman – of a golden sphere in Ripley, WV (which resisted high temperatures) becomes more prescient. Was gold merchant Fred Crisman of the CIA involved in the area, perhaps with Indrid Cold? Were the golden spheres related to the Nazi Bell weapon that one suspects was being developed in Institute, WV? Are Harriet’s cuts – their relationship to the “tearing of the wrist” – indirect proof that it was Indrid Cold who came to her house in 1968, in order to “investigate” the attempt made on her father’s life? When I asked Harriet her opinion of the possible photo of Indrid Cold (see earlier post), she stated that the man looks like he might be a member of the family of Jack Bruno, the mobster who lived next door to her. Bruno disappeared after entering the penal system following his conviction for racketeering. According to the investigating FBI agent, Harriet’s dad was mistakenly car-bombed instead of Bruno. It is possible, however, that it was really Indrid impersonating an FBI agent, as the FBI agent drove the same kind of car as Indrid.

My researcher friend recently told me about another event that had happened around the same time. Soon after he had seen the MIB van and the deaths had occurred, he had gotten a strange call from a number in Akron, Ohio, which is more or less where he had been when he encountered the MIB van. When he traced the number to a physical address, he found that it was 1111 Independence Ave. in Akron. He thought that this was highly synchronistic, and he was right. But there was more… When I did a Google search of the address, I found that it was at the back of a mall that had originally been an Indian sacred spot. As I found with the Grand Mound in Seattle, these spots often have a complex magnetic field – high and low frequencies mixed together. This can cause a wide range of paranormal effects on the human mind, from seeing entities to gaining synchronistic insights. Most amazingly, there are two buildings at 1111 Independence, and both look like the number “1″ from above. They form the number 11 or, if looking at them upside down, the letters “TT.” Check it out next time you are surfing the web…

The buildings at 1111 Independence Ave. in Akron, which are located at the back of Chapel Hill Mall, a former sacred Indian site.

Now, to make this a little more complicated, one hears stories about Masonic children having their births arranged for 11/11. Marjorie Cameron, wife of occultist and rocket scientist Jack Parsons, claimed that her birth was arranged for that date. The notorious Charles Manson was born on 11/12 [note in comments section that Adam Gorightly pins the date at 11/11]. If Manson were the illegitimate son of a high-level Mason – as one suspects – perhaps there was some controversy over whether or not to arrange his birth for 11/11. This may have resulted either in his being born a day late, or a cover story being created to make it seem like he was born a day late. At any rate, Manson lived for a time in WV on, or in close proximity to, land that was once owned by George Washington, a 33rd degree Mason. Indrid Cold also lived on land once owned by Washington, and there is speculation that Washington may have also owned the land on which Pt. Pleasant’s TNT Area – “home” of Mothman – was later built. Washington may have even been responsible for the murder of Chief Cornstalk, which instigated the “Mothman Curse” on Pt. Pleasant, as he was probably the chief U.S. military authority in Virginia at the time. The symbol most associated with Washington is the obelisk, which indirectly ties him to the Egyptian queen of obelisks, Hatshepsut, whose mummy was recently identified. Hatshepsut worshipped the goddess Mut, whose name and symbology correspond with entities seen on Woodward Drive. When one looks at George Washington’s Masonic apron, one sees a peculiar Masonic symbol: four columns at each corner of a square platform. The platform is depicted with more visual perspective than usual, allowing the columns to be read as four number 1’s with a slight space between: 11/11! Now we can begin to understand the reason 11/11 was chosen as a date for Masonic ops. And this symbolism seems to have bled over into Christianity, too, for the four columns may relate to the Bible’s mysterious koan about the “four angels at the corners of the Earth.” As my grandfather, Ed Gibson (a conspiracy theorist and general skeptic) used to say: “For there to be angels at the four corners of the Earth, the Earth would have to be square and flat, now wouldn’t it?”

George Washington's Masonic Apron: note four columns that read as "11/11." Other symbols on the apron will be familiar to fans of the show "Millennium" - the follow-up to "The X-Files." The beehive-shaped symbol at the top actually looks very similar to the purported Nazi Bell weapon, one of which may have been recovered at Kecksburg, PA just a year before Mothman.

One likely Masonic operation was the Centralia, WA massacre of 11/11/1919. Even though it could never be proved who shot who first, the deaths of five American Legion veterans on that day was erroneously spun in the media, sparking off a vicious, nationwide crackdown on labor unionists. The Wobblies were accused of shooting the Legionaires in cold blood, leading to mass arrests (such as the Palmer raids) and, in some cases, lynchings of innocent labor organizers. Although it was later shown that the Legionaires had attacked the Wobblies first, the damage to Labor was done, leading to greater hardships for the working class during the ensuing Great Depression. Were the Masons involved in the fight against decent wages? Interestingly, I received a notice on Aug. 12, 2009 that a bookstore in Centralia wanted to buy my copy of a rare book about the incident, The Wobbly War. As many of you know, Aug. 12th was Aleister Crowley’s favorite occult power day, and we have seen covert ops every year during that week of August. Last year, it was the Bigfoot Body and the Texas Chupacabra, both of which turned out to be hoaxes… Like most paranormal hoaxes, these manufactured charades are designed to distract from American military strikes in other parts of the world. Last year the attacks were in Russian Georgia; this year they were in Afghanistan and Pakistan – both of which were hit with U.S. “surges” on or around Aug. 12th.

The "Mothman" crop circle from Goes, Holland. The guys running the laser satellites know we are hot on their trail.

In the first week of Aug., a Mothman crop circle apparently appeared in Goes, Holland, which was hyped on Coast to Coast – a show that has touted several different hoaxed Mothman photos. Strangely, they have ignored what is likely the only documentable photo of Mothman, taken by Spring Colvin in 1973. Is this because the 1973 photo shows none of the “red eyes” or other “demonic” evidence preferred by the show’s host, George Noory? A week after the hyping of the Mothman crop circle, a lady from Kentucky claimed to have had an apocalyptic dream of Mothman, which was reported to Forteans West. Regardless of whether or not this particular report is legit, the creation of apocalyptic scenarios is a common tactic among agent provocateurs, as it sets up a situation where the subject matter can be easily debunked (when the apocalypse doesn’t pan out). IMHO “Mothman” doesn’t work in apocalyptic ways. The clues are almost always small and indirect, and they are less common in dreams than they are in everyday, synchronistic events. My favorite hoax this August is the “Orbs Over WV Nuke Plant” video, which shows four white orbs flying around the stacks of a WV power plant. The video is very realistic, but not quite “right.” Whether the orbs are doctored into the footage or just real, ordinary drone surveillance craft, the spinning of the orbs as “extraterrestrial” fits the bill. It gets people off of thinking about U.S. aggression and about healthcare reform, which Obama oddly chose to push during the same week – probably because it would be doomed to failure amid so many other distractions. 

Scale model of the Kecksburg UFO, which greatly resembles the Nazi Bell weapon. The Bell was said to utilize spinning spheres inside, in order to generate unusual magnetic fields. Is this an ancient design kept alive by high-level Masons?

This year, the idea was floated on Aug. 12th that Manson’s “wife,” Squeaky Fromme, might be soon be released from prison. Two days later, on Aug. 14th, Squeaky was released. Manson’s other old girlfriend, Sara Jane Moore, had been released a few weeks earlier. That same day, Aug. 14th, I put on my “Tour de France” watch and noticed that it had stopped working. The watch had been purchased a year or two prior in Pasadena, while I was there trying to get a feel for Parsons and Cameron, who lived there. Near the end of that trip, I saw a white orb while flying out of Burbank. I looked at my dead watch on Aug. 14th and noticed that it had stopped at 1:11. I looked at the date and it, too, read “1,” even though it was the 14th. Again, we have 11/11. The watch had been working fine previously, raising an interesting question: how did the watch get to be 14 days off while still showing the correct time? Confounded, I reached for my backup watch, made by the Coleman company. Unbelievably, it too had stopped at 1:11!

My "Tour de France" watch purchased in Pasadena, which stopped at 1:11. The date says "2" because I had tried to reset it from "1" to "14" on Aug. 14th. France is the traditional stronghold of the Masons.

One can see that these sorts of synchronicities arise in order to give us some kind of information. In a sense, they are shortcuts to secrets that would probably take years to ascertain by normal means. They are wormholes through the vast space of disinformation; and since they usually coincide with elite ops designed to hoodwink the public, they are an invaluable tool in keeping the dream of true democracy alive.

My backup watch, made by Coleman, which also stopped at 1:11. Note that it is 11 seconds away from reading "1:12." Could the reference to "Coleman" point toward a Masonic Mothman conspirator named Coleman?

Recently I was on the new Grassy Knoll show at the Think or Be Eaten site: http://thinkorbeeaten.com/theknoll/radio.html There, in episode 39 of my series with Vyz, we discuss recent developments in the Mothman world, as well as laud the work of John Keel, who recently died. In that show, I mentioned that in 1978, Harold Salkin of Official UFO magazine did a story on Woodrow Derenberger. The magazine printed a photo of an accident involving a VW bug on the night Woody met Indrid Cold (who drove a VW). Such a rare photo showed that the magazine had done some homework on the case. Interestingly, they also printed a photo of an unidentified man with a penetrating gaze. Oddly, they simply said that it was a “picture taken recently in Pt. Pleasant.”  

Unidentified WV man in the March 1978 issue of "Official UFO" magazine. Could this be the mysterious Indrid Cold?

When I saw the face of the unidentified man, I was immediately struck by his resemblance to a drawing apparently made by someone who had once met Cold (and who had later posted it to the internet).

Witness drawing of Indrid Cold, sans moustache. If the witness met Cold in 1966, Cold most likely was still wearing his hair short, as the Summer of Love had not yet happened.

Both men had high cheekbones and eyes that slanted slightly upwards at the outside – slightly “Oriental.” Since Cold was known to have lived in Midway, WV for several years after the Mothman events, the man in the Official UFO article could very well be Indrid Cold.

At some point following the publication of this photo, Cold is said to have moved to Cleveland, OH. His whereabouts are currently unknown, but he is most likely still in the Cleveland area. Please forward any pertinent information you may have about the identify of this man to LOWFI. He is probably between 70 and 80 years old, and one of his aliases may be “John Morgan.” Do not attempt to confront Cold directly. He is a skilled agent and potentially dangerous, despite his age.

Recently, I met up with Taos Public Radio program director, producer, and radio personality Ben Camp. Along with Ben was his cohort, DJ Elario, who comes from a long line of New Mexican medicine people. Elario’s brother is a medicine man, and Elario is an apprentice. What I found interesting is that right before I arrived, Ben had a sighting of an apparition. He talks about it here. It’s ironic, for last year he was saying that he is quite the skeptic, who never has paranormal experiences.

Birdman painting from Rio Puerco, close to where the Camp/Elario interview took place.

Ben Camp (BC): [When I encountered the entity] I got scared. The hair on my arms stood up. I looked over, yet didn’t see anybody. It was pitch black. I finally got in my car and drove off. I convinced myself that I was spooking myself. [It was like] a horror movie. When I came back, my hair was [still] standing up on my arms. That’s the honest truth.

Andy Colvin (AC): What do you think was going on?

BC: I think I was [maybe] trying to creep myself out, psychologically. [I was] thinking that there was somebody there, when there wasn’t.

AC: Could it be your unconscious coming out?

BC: I don’t know. I thought I heard somebody there. I was jumpy. When I got back, I couldn’t overcome my irrational fear of the unknown.

AC: Maybe you have a psychic link with someone. I had that happen once. I walked into our garage a year or two after my father died, and I heard “him” speak to me. It was right after I saw the tree entity on Woodward Lane. One explanation for this is that my subconscious wanted to experience Dad again – to hear his voice – and so re-created his voice in my head. In order to make it seem more genuine, it made it seem like it was outside of myself – as the ancient Greeks reportedly did.

BC: Whoa… I didn’t hear any words, but I thought I heard somebody there. I don’t know why I would be scared. [Normally] I would just walk over and take a look.

AC: Isn’t your dad a master of the game Go?

BC: Yes. The game’s [essential] structure resides in momentum. It’s all about deceiving people and taking advantage of their attacks, turning their attacks on themselves. Computers don’t really understand momentum [so they can’t compete as well in it].

AC: Physicist Rob Godbey, whom I interviewed for the reality series, feels that the study of “probabilities” and creativity should be stressed more in the educational system.

BC: Yes… As a way to get kids thinking that way, my father was really into teaching Go at the Waldorf Schools in Seattle. An enemy’s advance doesn’t have to be an advance. You can turn it around, like in martial arts.

AC: There’s a Native American story about that – about a woman and the Thunderbird. Thunderbird was coming down and scaring people, so the old lady went into the longhouse and built a fire. She got some stones, threw them in the fire, and got them really hot. When the Thunderbird came to the door, she acted like she was eating the rocks. She picked them up, turned sideways to him, and made them look like they were going into her mouth. She was actually throwing them behind her… She said, “Oh these are really good! Mmm…”

BC: So he ate one?

AC: Yes, he bursts in and eats the rocks. It teaches him a lesson, and he never comes back again. That’s an example of turning your enemy’s momentum around.

AC: The first thing that we said to each other today was, “How can you really know what you’re seeing is the truth?” I think that question comes across in that piece you just did. It places it in the realm of the paranormal. Maybe there’s some energy moving around here today.

DJ Elario (DJ): Yes, you never know. Maybe I will touch on a point that might make somebody else realize something. You never know [the importance] of what you’re saying, you know? I think it’s all just sent from [elsewhere]. There’s a different energy out there making us [or] not making us, whether we know about it or not. [But] we can choose to participate in it, if we want.

AC: Several people I’ve interviewed recently have talked about this inner struggle. They seem to be saying that there are sometimes battles within yourself between “good” and “evil,” and that supernatural entities seem to show up at those times. In that “battle,” Einstein thought that creativity, or imagination, was more important than knowledge.

DJ: I [don’t] like to say “good and evil” because people right away take it as religious. [But] I was telling Ben today that I thought I had met you before somewhere. You looked familiar to me. When we picked you up today, I told Ben, “I’ve met this guy somewhere before.” [But] we’ve never met.

AC: That topic comes up a lot with me. I’ve been told that in every city I’ve lived in, that I more or less have a doppelganger. Harriet claims that she saw my doppelganger in Mexico and in Greece. I met her friend who was with her on those trips, and the friend was eyeing me as if to say, “Man, that was you.” But I wasn’t there. I keep hearing that people have seen me in places. Maybe I was cloned, or maybe I’m a “Manchurian astral projectionist” – someone who astral projects but doesn’t remember doing so.

The latest incident came in Dec. 2007, when a waiter at Flying Fish restaurant in Seattle told me that he had waited on “me” several times in Los Angeles… According to the book Garuda: The Celestial Bird in Indian Art and Literature by Shanti Lal Nagar, the “English counterpart of the Garuda has been believed to be an eagle… In South Africa these birds are popularly known as fish-eagle.” Hence, the term “flying fish” can be interpreted as an indirect reference to the Garuda.

DJ: You know, maybe we’re all going the same way. I believe if you just listen, you’ll see what’s real. But it’s so hard to listen most of the time, because we’re attracted to things like TV. The media is the strongest blanket over peoples’ eyes nowadays. It controls how we feel and what we should think about. It [selects] the images portrayed to our kids. A lot of kids around the world are sold a dream. I’m one of them, you know? Maybe it’s just a plot to keep people reaching for what’s not there…

AC: You seem to have broken free. Maybe you’re reaching for your higher Self.

DJ: Yes, or maybe it’s a form of redemption. It’s hard to say because once you start to pinpoint it, “they” change the program a little bit. You can’t really explain it because it keeps changing.

AC: That’s what happens with light. When they try to pinpoint light in a specific location, they find that it has moved. It changes the moment you observe it, and it instantaneously transmits information about those states of change to nearby particles.

DJ: I feel that that is what this energy is… As soon as we find this [or that] truth that we’re looking for, it’s going to change. There’s [always] a “higher” truth.

AC: The higher truth of change and regeneration? The cycle of life?

DJ: Yes, the cycle of life, whatever life is. Life is a dream to me. Most people go to sleep to dream. Then they wake up to go to work or whatever. I go to sleep to rest, and I wake up dreaming. I wake up to dream. Sometimes I can’t believe where I was yesterday. Was I really there, or was that one of those out-of-body experiences? You never know.

AC: Yes, because time is always in the now. The minute you start to try to go back and put a concept on it, it’s gone.

DJ: It’s funny… You need time to reflect on time. We have this now but in a little while, time’s going to take me somewhere else. Who knows where I’ll be? Who knows if I’ll even see you again?

AC: The sages say that time is absolute, and that our lives are stamped by a pre-programmed destiny – like a computer program. At the same time, the most responsible way for us to respond is to act as if we have free will.

BC: I’m for creating your own “reality control.” If we look at things as [within] our control, we’re not just existing in a set of circumstances we didn’t choose…

DJ: Don’t you think that maybe you create your own decisions? Maybe you don’t have control over the whole process of the whole movement of the world, but you do have control over your decisions. You get dealt with circumstances, but you do have a decision in those circumstances – that is what you control.

AC: I would concur with that. In an overall sense, you didn’t have any control over your birth, or how you got here – at least consciously. Yet you do have control over some things, like your responses, your ego boundaries, and your decisions, good or bad.

DJ: Maybe you [indirectly] control where you’re going to end up. Even though we still don’t know where we’ll end up by making these decisions, maybe we just go with [the] chain reaction. All you control is your decision in one split second, to either say something or not, walk or not walk, smile or not smile – whatever it is.

AC: It’s like you’re another electronic chip in the electrochemical flow, as it goes through organism after organism.

DJ: Who’s to say what you saw wasn’t real? It wasn’t viewed by anybody else [but] you yourself were there. I’ve been in a few crazy places, on drugs and off of drugs. It’s kind of like The Matrix, you can either take the pill or not. Do you choose to take the pill and take yourself out of that comfort zone and see where you end up? Because I don’t believe drugs destroy lives; I think people destroy their own lives. They just choose to blame it on something else. It’s easier to say “drugs made me do it” rather than “those were my own decisions.”

BC: There is a parable called The Empty Boat. I’ll paraphrase it… It says that if you’re on a boat on a river, and there’s another guy in another boat on the river, and he starts coming towards you, you’ll get more and more frustrated [and] emotional, especially if he hits you. But if the boat’s empty and it’s coming towards you, you don’t experience any of those emotions. You won’t get angry if it hits you because you see it as an event, or curiosity [brought on by the cosmos, not some other person].

DJ: I’m for putting your whole self in the boat, dawg. [Unfortunately] if you try to put more meaning into your life, the world [often] tries to take away that meaning [by] using everything against you. I guess that’s the balance of life [but] I’d rather have my boat full.

AC: The empty boat helps us not be attached to the outcome. There’s no one there to blame. Regarding Elario’s comment, I would say that you can put everything into a full boat as long as you’re not overly attached to your expectations. It’s better to experience things directly, without conceptualizing. For instance when you’re onstage performing, it’s best just to be there in that moment, without conscious thought. If you are not there, people will know and will think you’re faking it. They want to see you in the moment.

DJ: I can connect with that [because] I’ve taken every single moment that God [has given me. If] you say “God,” people usually see a man sitting on a throne [but] God to me is just the essence itself. Whenever those chances where put my way, I took every single one. I tried to make it the best experience it could be. There have been times when I’ve chosen not to be there, but most of the times I have. I’ve noticed that after those experiences, people look at you a different way. You start to somehow create their thoughts. With your actions, you’re creating their thoughts… All of a sudden you become something to them: something to look up to, something to believe in – maybe a legend. There have been a lot of great people in this world. I think it was because they knew something. Something was shown to them that they had to express. They were basically here to do their job, or not. Either way you’re going to face death, whatever death is… Most of us are scared of it. I’m scared of death, but only because nobody can sit here and tell me what’s going to happen after that. I think [the answer] is within myself. When I’m finally ready to admit to myself what it is, that is probably when the transition will happen. Nobody [else] will even know it; it’ll just be like a blink [of the eye] – an ending and beginning at the same time.

AC: The mental processes that you’ve been practicing all along will probably just keep on happening, although on a less conscious plane.

DJ: You just leave your energy behind. You no longer have to be a physical, or be affected by the physical. You just are, or were, or have been, or will always be…

“Supernatural events have been reported for millennia (e.g. the miracles of Moses, Jesus, Mohammed); they have played central roles in history’s most important cultural transformations. They are frequently portrayed in the world’s greatest art and literature. The majority of the U.S. adult population believes in paranormal phenomena. In times past, the supernatural was seen as all-encompassing, providing a ground for existence, but it was also recognized as irrational and dangerous. In academe now, those ideas are viewed as quaint. [But] it makes sense to reevaluate those older, forgotten, marginalized, and discredited ideas [for] they can expose the limits of ‘rationality.’ Deception is frequently encountered with the paranormal (via hoaxes). Consider the trickster figure… The trickster was an important figure in many ‘primitive’ religions, but curiously, he is now rather neglected. Paradox, ambiguity, and marginality typify both [the paranormal and the trickster]. Marginality is a type of anti-structure [that is necessarily] anti-institutional. It is a salient characteristic of paranormal groups. Low status is vested upon those who conduct parapsychological research. Conversely, opposition to such investigation (i.e., CSICOP) has attracted endorsements of many elite scientists with little knowledge of the paranormal. [However] the paranormal does not lack large institutions to promote it. In fact, enormous industries are devoted to it – but portray it as fiction. Those businesses gross hundreds of millions of dollars annually (at least).

“Precognition and psychokinesis (PK) suggest that an effect can precede its cause. In lab studies, it is often difficult to ascertain who caused any [ESP or] psi effect. Psi accompanies processes of change, transition, flux, and disorder… The pattern extends from individuals to entire cultures. Times of personal change are associated with psychic functioning. Groups that engage the phenomena are typically unstable and rarely institutionalize successfully. During cultural transitions, paranormal phenomena gain greater public prominence. The late 1960s and early 1970s in the U.S. were times of accelerated social change, and they [saw] a surge of popular interest in the paranormal… Status differences [were] involved. Status is one of the central issues of this [research]. When examining any pair of persons, groups, or nations, one member typically has a higher status. Psi subverts these distinctions. Telepathy and psychic healing suggest that the dividing line between self and other is not sharp. PK challenges the mind-matter demarcation. UFOs are liminal and anti-structural. They have properties in common with angels, spirits, fairies, and demons. Psi has the properties of the betwixt and between, of transitional spaces, of the liminal and interstitial. Liminality involves an equalizing (or even an inversion) of status, a blurring of distinctions. One of the trickster’s duties is to lower or invert status and induce [events which can lead to] revitalization. He has no fixed shape, form, or image. Primary characteristics include disruption, deception, lowered sexual inhibitions, psi phenomena, and [social] marginality. Personification [into creatures like angels, werewolves, the Virgin Mary, Bigfoot, or Mothman] provides a way of organizing this melange [of characteristics] that otherwise seems incoherent.

“The trickster is difficult for scholars. The usual scientific concepts are inadequate to fully explain him. He has many meanings and cannot be reduced to a single interpretation. He resists being placed in any single category. That’s why [my research] covers such a range of topics – from ritual clowns who eat excrement, to experiments with random number generators, to literary criticism. The diversity is the reason so few people have any comprehension of the scope of the trickster’s relevance, including his pertinence to psi. The bureaucratic antagonism to psi is not a conscious conspiracy. Those who act in concert with the prejudice are not aware of the factors influencing them. This unconscious antipathy is a pervasive social phenomenon found in numerous cultures; thus not to be explained by the psychology of individuals. It demonstrates that social forces have an independent existence and that those forces can operate through individuals without them being aware of it. Both religion and science try to hedge off or repress contact with the supernatural [because it] stimulates change and disorder. The supernatural is irrational, but it is also real. It holds enormous power. We ignore it at our peril. It operates not only on the individual level, but at a collective level, influencing entire cultures. The witchcraft persecutions and the demagoguery of charismatic leaders are only two of many dangers. If we fail to recognize the limits of our ‘rational’ way of thinking, we can become victims of it. Parapsychology demonstrates that our thoughts, including our unconscious thoughts, are not limited to our brains. They move of their own accord and influence the physical world.”

-George P. Hansen, The Trickster and the Paranormal, pp. 422-430